tmr reports...

[lilwilly]

so with the tmr reports ive been doing the past few weeks ballo has told me the pictures arnt showing up? ive been using winrar and just right clicking the picture and clicking add to ''blahblah.rar'' and browsing for it on the tmr page am i doing somethin wrong with it?

[Brunius]

Might try with a different utility - 7zip for example. Winrar sometimes tries very hard to protect people from 'viruses' and doesn't show the 'infected' file.

[Chucky]

I think the majority of TMR's are done using Winrar, so as far as I can tell that shouldnt be the issue. One thing I would ask, lilwilly can you please Private Message me the email address attached to your forum account (for your sake, dont post it in this thread to avoid spam).

Unfortunately I can't check your submissions from work, so assuming you send me the address I can have a look tonight.

[Mearehear]

Dropbox is a wonderful alternative for providing files to anyone. Put it in your pc's local dropbox public folder, right click file and "get public link" (file will sync to online storage), provide links to whoever you need. So wonderfully simple

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[Chucky]

Dropbox is a wonderful alternative for providing files to anyone.

Not accepted on Games On Net last I remember, as we need the evidence hosted locally so we always have access to it.

[Mearehear]

Ok, given that either way the "admin" would have to save it from the report to view, it couldnt really be any different to physically attaching it. But thats not my place to be concerned about

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[lilwilly]

also is there a new link to connect to gon irc if ya dont have irc installed? the one here isent working enymore viewtopic.php?f=207&t=167385

[Chucky]

am i doing somethin wrong with it?

lilwilly, There is nothing wrong with the screenshots you have submitted, However 1 or 2 screenshots hardly tells a story. Now I am not sure if in Arma you can record Demo's like half life based games(?), however if it is possible then I highly recommend submitting a demo (with screenshots) of multiple intentional Team Kills as that is more conclusive. Additionally if it is not possible then maybe grab Fraps and submit a recording that way. Just because you have submitted a screenshot of 1 team kill and 1 lot of ID's it is not telling the Admin Team that reviews it if it was an Intentional Team Kill or not. For all the Admin Team knows, someone may have chucked a nade/walked through a line of fire shot by accident and what you are then asking is for someone to be banned off an accident (and that is not really fair). This probably should have been explained to you better originally however I am not sure what you were or were not told, so I can't really comment much more than that.

I hope that all makes sense lilwilly, It is hard for me to say anything else as I don't know what has been acceptable for TMR's in ARMA in the past. However if I was to base it off my time as both a Game Admin/Senior Admin then I would say the TMR's you submitted whilst they do show 1 or 2 images, they are not conclusive evidence to prove Intentional Team Killing.

[Mearehear]

Nice ninja edit, and nice initial over reaction to a simple post.

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[lilwilly]

righteo yea no probs more screen shots or video if possible,i wouldnt bother doing a tmr if it wasnt intentional i take a screeny if its someone whos teamkillin on purpose constantly and we have to kick them for it...

[Chucky]

Nice ninja edit, and nice initial over reaction to a simple post.

I removed it as I thought it was best to avoid yet another Internet argument, But I stand by what I said. If you are too lazy/couldn't be bothered to submit a TMR properly (ie by uploading the evidence to GON so it is hosted locally), then you probably shouldn't bother submitting a TMR at all

ie, lilwilly did everything correctly (and his screenshots do show up correctly) he simply made the mistake of not submitting enough evidence with every report.

Where as what you are suggesting is to increase the Admin workload even more, by making the Admin Team download from a linked dropbox account, and then upload it to GON themselves when the person submitting the TMR could simply do that in the first place.

[Sky Monster]

One thing about ArmA specifics... If someone teamkills (BLUE ON BLUE) too much (2-3 times in one life or so), the game flags them as a rogue, and any further TKs only show up as a normal kill... won't say friendly fire or anything like that. Radioman put a flag on players who attempt to teamkill base buildings into the server logs, but GON admins aren't allowed access to those (very silly!!!) And I don't expect people like Hydra to have to wade through that **** for evidence when they have better things to do. SHould be put in the hands of the specific game's admins imo...

Video evidence is a difficult, sitting there watching someone destroying team assets (which take HOURS of gameplay to obtain) to get them banned for 1-2weeks really doesn't seem worth it? We would rather kick them instantly to prevent too much damage. If they get permanently banned until they come and plead their case (which would full of lies and bullsh-t I assure you) then I would consider it....

It's why we need Admins in-game who are allowed to make banning decisions on the spot, so the offender can't wreak havoc while we collate volumes of evidence and submit it to the High Court for a minimal sentence. If you guys really are looking for more Admins like you say... well not much we can do but wait and hope help comes soon

p.s. Thank you Chucky for being on the case and addressing our concerns!

[Bicketybam]

Dropbox is a wonderful alternative for providing files to anyone. Put it in your pc's local dropbox public folder, right click file and "get public link" (file will sync to online storage), provide links to whoever you need. So wonderfully simple

While it is a nice idea, we need the details of submissions for our own records. Something we can link to and something that only the right people have access to. Our submissions for all games are private so as to protect both the players making the submission (so no one singles them out and abuses them for taking the time to make the submission) and the player that the TMR is about (in case the submission is insufficient or just false). Providing a submission via Dropbox would mean that it is open to anyone who has access it.

Besides, as Chucky has mentioned above, the Admins would need to download the file from you and then upload the file again to our system, when it could just be done by the submitter. Do it once and it is done.

Nice ninja edit, and nice initial over reaction to a simple post.

I removed it as I thought it was best to avoid yet another Internet argument, But I stand by what I said. If you are too lazy/couldn't be bothered to submit a TMR properly (ie by uploading the evidence to GON so it is hosted locally), then you probably shouldn't bother submitting a TMR at all

There is also another reason why we want people to make submissions and that is to see who is helping out the community. This is also how we pick new Admins from the community as well, as it shows who is willing to help the community.

As I've previously mentioned in another thread, I don't have the game and I don't know how it works but unfortunately it does look like the game just doesn't have the same Admin support created into it as other games do (namely Steam/Valve based games).

That said though, the Arma Admins have provided a thread with details on what you need/should provide when you are making a TMR.

That thread can be found here : viewtopic.php?f=207&t=125189

If you follow those details then we can certainly do our best to help you with your submission. Help us to help you.