Britain to invade Ecuador?

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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby Jez » 20 Aug 12, 7:34 pm

diamondd wrote:its such a ridiculous situation, he obviously needs to go to Sweden to face those charges but personally I'm happy for him to stay at the Ecuadorian embassy so the stupid fcuking American's don't get him.


Pretty sure they haven't charged him (even in absentia), they're merely seeking extradition for him to answer questions... Which seems disingenuous to me, because if all they want to do is question him, why not do it in the UK?
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby diamondd » 20 Aug 12, 7:54 pm

Jez wrote:
diamondd wrote:its such a ridiculous situation, he obviously needs to go to Sweden to face those charges but personally I'm happy for him to stay at the Ecuadorian embassy so the stupid fcuking American's don't get him.


Pretty sure they haven't charged him (even in absentia), they're merely seeking extradition for him to answer questions... Which seems disingenuous to me, because if all they want to do is question him, why not do it in the UK?

yeah exactly, that's why he's locked himself up at the embassy. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby Otto-matic » 21 Aug 12, 2:16 am

Last I heard they were citing some precedent that he has to be questioned in a Swedish police station or something similar. Still obviously dodgy.

Bit sad that our government is doing SFA about the whole situation since the US want him.
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby FryzieDelta » 21 Aug 12, 9:30 am

Otto-matic wrote:Bit sad that our government is doing SFA about the whole situation since the US want him.


The guy played a major role in the release of multiple classified documents, including many of our own. Why would our government protect someone who actively worked against them?
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby Mekon » 21 Aug 12, 10:13 am

FryzieDelta wrote:The guy played a major role in the release of multiple classified documents, including many of our own. Why would our government protect someone who actively worked against them?

Because he is an Australian citizen? Government is the tool of the people, not their rulers - we live in a democracy, not an totalitarian state. Last I checked, the only government wanting to charge him in relation to state secrets is the US. Until Australia charges him with something or repeals his citizenship, he is entitled to state support.
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby MaddMoose » 21 Aug 12, 11:46 am

The Swedish legal system had a different process for laying charges. The UK high court determined that the stage of legal proceedings in Sweden is the same as being charges in the UK, which is the requirement for extradition.

Our government have done the same for him that they do for everyone else. They made sure he is being treated properly and has legal representation. Which he does.

The US has given zero indication they will extradite him. Well done on being fooled by Assange once again.
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby FryzieDelta » 21 Aug 12, 11:50 am

And then, because he knows he's in trouble, he goes and hides just out of reach and makes everything as public as he can. If he just went into hiding and kept his stupid mouth shut there wouldn't be a big kerfuffle about it.
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby Mekon » 21 Aug 12, 12:15 pm

MaddMoose wrote:The US has given zero indication they will extradite him. Well done on being fooled by Assange once again.

Or... they have given every indication they intend to charge him (which would require him to be extradited):

http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-inten ... 24e1l.html
http://www.theage.com.au/world/charges- ... 1u14c.html

Fooled by who?

MaddMoose wrote:Our government have done the same for him that they do for everyone else.

I seem to recall Schapelle Corby and the Bali 9 getting a hell of a lot more attention (from the Australian government) over and above ensuring they had legal representation and that they were treated properly?
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby André Axe'm » 21 Aug 12, 12:27 pm

He organised the whole thing for publicity...
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby MaddMoose » 21 Aug 12, 1:13 pm

Mekon wrote:
MaddMoose wrote:The US has given zero indication they will extradite him. Well done on being fooled by Assange once again.

Or... they have given every indication they intend to charge him (which would require him to be extradited):

http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-inten ... 24e1l.html
http://www.theage.com.au/world/charges- ... 1u14c.html

Fooled by who?

MaddMoose wrote:Our government have done the same for him that they do for everyone else.

I seem to recall Schapelle Corby and the Bali 9 getting a hell of a lot more attention (from the Australian government) over and above ensuring they had legal representation and that they were treated properly?


Those links prove nothing. First one is just Beazley asking for advance warning if they decide to charge him, says nothing about them Enron. Unless of course you're using the same logic assange does, that they're investigating the leaks so of course h will be extradited. Which is ridiculous, of course the leaks would be investigated doesn't mean he will be charges.


So what special treatment did those drug smugglers get? From memory all they got was a request to take the death penalty of the table.
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby MaddMoose » 21 Aug 12, 1:15 pm

André Axe'm wrote:He organised the whole thing for publicity...


His choice of country to try and hide in is ridiculously hypocritical of him.

He's already broken one of the conditions of asylum, by making that speech. As he's not allowed to use the embassy to make political statements
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby Mekon » 21 Aug 12, 1:22 pm

MaddMoose wrote:Those links prove nothing. First one is just Beazley asking for advance warning if they decide to charge him, says nothing about them Enron.

You didn't read past the picture, did you?

However, the Australian embassy in Washington reported in February that “the US investigation into possible criminal conduct by Mr Assange has been ongoing for more than a year”.

The embassy identified a wide range of criminal charges the US could bring against Assange, including espionage, conspiracy, unlawful access to classified information and computer fraud.

Australian diplomats expect that any charges against Assange would be carefully and narrowly drawn in an effort to avoid conflict with the First Amendment free speech provisions of the US Constitution.

The released diplomatic cables also show that the Australian government considers the prospect of extradition sufficiently likely that, on direction from Canberra, Mr Beazley sought high level US advice on “the direction and likely outcome of the investigation” and “reiterated our request for early advice of any decision to indict or seek extradition of Mr Assange”.

The question of advance warning of any prosecution or extradition moves was previously raised by Australian diplomats in December 2010 when they first confirmed that Assange was the target of what US Justice Department officials described as an "unprecedented'' investigation.

The Australians on that occasion explained that the advance warning would be appreciated ''so that ministers could respond appropriately''.

American responses to the embassy's representations have been withheld from release on the grounds that disclosure could "cause damage to the international relations of the Commonwealth".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-inten ... z249JV9SBo
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby MaddMoose » 23 Aug 12, 8:20 pm

Assange offered record amount of assistance by Australian government and extradition unlikely.

Like I said, hook line and sinker

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-23/c ... ge/4218448
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby Kremmen » 24 Aug 12, 4:53 am

MaddMoose wrote:Assange offered record amount of assistance by Australian government and extradition unlikely.

Like I said, hook line and sinker

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-23/c ... ge/4218448

I read the article but there was no link to the list.
If it isnt any trouble, could you help find it please
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I did find my very own interesting link that some may like which possibly shows that there is in fact more to this case than Mr Assange sucking people in hook, line and sinker.
http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/02/eight-big-problems-with-the-case-against-assange-must-read-by-naomi-wolf/
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Re: Britain to invade Ecuador?

Unread postby MaddMoose » 24 Aug 12, 8:12 am

I'm pretty sure it would be confidential information between the government and assange. Assange and Wikileaks refuse to be transparent, so I'll doubt it will come out.
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