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Unread postby blackwaterxe7 » 11 Jul 12, 7:03 pm

I am thinking about a Dell XPS 8500 for $1274..........or maybe building my own like i did many years ago, but im not sure i could be bothered and rather buy off the shelf.

I have not kept up with all the computer blah blah, and to be honest am sick about having to read up on this ever changing garbage all the time...........thus im thinking about the above dell as a "reasonable" gaming rig.

Tec specs are:

3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3770 processor (3.40 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.90 GHz)

Ram =8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz Memory
HD = 2TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with 32GB SSD SRT enhancement
Blu-ray Combo Drive (BD-R, DVD+/-RW), Write to CD/DVD
Video card = AMD Radeon™ HD 7770 2GB DDR5
Genuine Windows(R) 7 Home Premium SP1 64 bit (English)
Price $1274.

http://www.dell.com/au/p/popular-deskto ... dhs&~ck=mn


Or do I build my own? I mean how much better am i going to get for $1274 considering all the stuffing around?

Is the above rig going to give me reasonable performance for games like Arma 2 and battlefield 3?
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby SaNE » 11 Jul 12, 7:45 pm

$119.00 ASRock Z77 PRO3 Motherboard
$58.00 G.Skill Ares F3-1600C9D-8GAO 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3
$99.00 Crucial M4 SSD 64GB
$129.00 Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2TB 7200RPM
$55.00 LG CH12LS28 12X BD-R Blu-ray DVD Combo Drive
$95.00 CoolerMaster Centurion 5 II with 500W
$479.00 EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB
$245.00 Intel Core i5 3570K
$1279 Total

Prices from PCCG and don't include shipping, you can use staticice.com.au to maybe find better prices for other stores etc.

The above is much better than the Dell machine for gaming, 3570K (able to overclock) plus a 670 will be kicking for a while.
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby blackwaterxe7 » 11 Jul 12, 8:17 pm

Thanks for that SaNE, and thanks for the specs.

Still cant make my mind up though because I cant measure how much better your specs are compared to the dell..........I mean in the area of gaming what real difference am i going to see? 20% - 30% improvement in benchmarks?..........and at the end process......my eyes........how much better will the graphics really be compared to the hassle of building my own rig when i can order it from dell and have it here in 48hrs without lifting a finger and have 12months warranty?
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby Nightstaar » 11 Jul 12, 8:30 pm

PCCG do pre-built machines now. I'd be considering them as well if you're keen on not doing the labour yourself.
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby GoToadGo » 11 Jul 12, 8:32 pm

blackwaterxe7 wrote:Thanks for that SaNE, and thanks for the specs.

Still cant make my mind up though because I cant measure how much better your specs are compared to the dell..........I mean in the area of gaming what real difference am i going to see? 20% - 30% improvement in benchmarks?..........and at the end process......my eyes........how much better will the graphics really be compared to the hassle of building my own rig when i can order it from dell and have it here in 48hrs without lifting a finger and have 12months warranty?
You also have to factor in that on paper they may not be too far apart but the part quality difference will be massive. They'll use a cheap motherboard, cheap RAM(I know all RAM is cheap, but theirs will be total garbage), more than likely a cheap HDD and the power supply will probably be rubbish too. Build your own and it'll be faster and way more reliable than anything Dell will sell to you. Trust me on this, I sell store built PC's(HP etc) and when you open them up it's pretty barren.

Some places will also put it together for you for a small fee too(as mentioned above).
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby blackwaterxe7 » 11 Jul 12, 9:04 pm

PCCG looks good, but not many of the systems have the i7 processor
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby Nightstaar » 11 Jul 12, 9:12 pm

Don't get tied up between i7 and i5. Is there a specific reason you want an i7?
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby blackwaterxe7 » 11 Jul 12, 9:16 pm

because it sounds good? :)

to be honest I have no idea about processors anymore or half the other garbage
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby SaNE » 11 Jul 12, 10:44 pm

blackwaterxe7 wrote:because it sounds good? :)
to be honest I have no idea about processors anymore or half the other garbage

The big difference is hyperthreading (4 physical cores but an additional 4 logical/virtual cores that allow extra processing), which for gaming means nothing.
Now if you were to be running virtuals machines, photoshop, video editing, databases, websites all on a single machine, then go for an i7.
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby PantyRaider » 11 Jul 12, 10:45 pm

If my understanding is correct games don't use hyper threading so an i7 is more expensive than a i5 for gaming purposes?
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby Wyld » 11 Jul 12, 10:53 pm

Go the i5, unless you have a reason to go i7.

Thing to note, of all the components big companies tend to screw up, it's the power supply. Your PSU feeds your whole system, so get a good one.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?mai ... s_id=20665

I would also HIGHLY recommend PCCG. Excellent company to deal with.
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby SuBw00FeR » 11 Jul 12, 11:10 pm

Wyld wrote:Go the i5, unless you have a reason to go i7.

Thing to note, of all the components big companies tend to screw up, it's the power supply. Your PSU feeds your whole system, so get a good one.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?mai ... s_id=20665

I would also HIGHLY recommend PCCG. Excellent company to deal with.


+1 for PCCaseGear and this system, will blow dells machine into the water, Dell will use cheaply made/sourced parts compared to what PCCaseGear uses.

I'll be buying all my parts for my next machine there in the next couple of months.
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby Disco LT » 12 Jul 12, 8:13 am

I find it amazing that you can buy a decent gaming rig for just north of 1k, I'm tempted to upgrade mine soon and that prebuilt machine Wyld posted looks like it might be a worth a shot.

Due to where I stick my PC though, I might have to opt for something with more effecient cooling on my next system :/
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby steve_rogers42 » 12 Jul 12, 9:46 am

SaNE wrote:The above is much better than the Dell machine for gaming, 3570K (able to overclock) plus a 670 will be kicking for a while.


While i agree on the parts choice, overclocking != games rig, This can also be a bit of a turn-off for people who associate 'overclock' with broken-warranty-whyismycomputeronfire.

A non-k processor would be fine.

blackwaterxe7 wrote:Or do I build my own? I mean how much better am i going to get for $1274 considering all the stuffing around?


Better would be what can be supplied under the same coin on an equivalent build, the Dell specs are quite modest, and the performance wouldnt be bad, but not anything to gush over, the mediocre components are the hdd, the 7770 and the fact that you wont be able to expand much over replacing the graphics card and the ram and possibly another harddrive. Dell tend to not allow for much room to wiggle so first off, another case form a build would net you adaptability, room for more hdd's another graphics card, another processor, more ram etc.

Second, SSD's are $1.2 or lower for a Gb, this makes them more than reasonable to be included into any build for a gaming pc. Putting in an SSD even if its for the OS, you will find that things move a lot more smoothly within windows, and when you put games on them... man, what load screens....

The 7770 for the game you put up will be your biggest issue. 2gb gddr ram isnt too bad but the gpu within the 7770 is worse than average.COMPARISON! just be mindful that with a greater gpu comes greater power need. If you want to stick to ATI/AMD any of their newly refreshed 7970/79xx series cards with the 1ghz tags give the keplar/Nvidia 6XX crowd a run for its money. BF3 and ATI/AMD cards seems to run poorly, i dont know if any of the latest drivers have fixed this, but since launch day the Nvidia cards have ruled the roost. ARMA is a different kettle of fish, and you will need ram/cpu/gpu for it, and the better you get means the more mods etc you can put on. (dayZ?)

If you wanted, you can pick up something very similar to the Dell build from Umart

If you dont like the rig from PCCG that Wyld listed, Umart's equivalent has a 7970 over the 7870

The Dell XPS isnt that bad for its price, just the money could be spend better elsewhere. If your looking to build to the specification SaNe has put up, a recommendation from me would be to purchase a case you will like, and make sure you fit a good quality PSU to run all your goods.

If the idea to go a Dell was for warranty, the pccg and Umart pre-builts should have something on equal standing, and atleast you wont spend 45mins on hold waiting their customer service... but then, dell's xps systems tend to get pretty good warranty and service treatment... If your going pre-built, alot of products feature a 'lifetime' warranty now days, and then some manufacturers warranties rock pretty hard, you will have to look up and see if there is any hidden catches for each product tho (like signing up to their site/forum to register your warranty)

blackwaterxe7 wrote:Is the above rig going to give me reasonable performance for games like Arma 2 and battlefield 3?


see that last chunk, ati/AMD for bf3 will give you lower fps unless your forking out for a 7970/7950, which give you on-par performance around the Nvidia 580, if your looking for the best bang for buck either a 7970 1ghz edition or a 670 would be the highest teir, then a 7950 would be the next best thing. Have a look here

If you haven't caught on, both PCCG and Umart are favored here, especially if you like bubble wrap >.>
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Re: Dell gaming Computer or other?

Unread postby Long John » 12 Jul 12, 11:26 am

My 2 cents,

Dell XPS machines are not what they used to be when they moved that range from premium to a lower market focus and you might be getting out of date/lower quality components so it is hard to compare them to the generic equivalents until its to late.

Add this to potential upgrade issues as pointed out - Unless you need or want the Dell service (which is decent) and don't want to DIY I would say go with PCCG etc or look to the Alienware range for a gaming machine.
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