Game of Thrones Season 2

[Jnr]

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Just keeps getting better and better. Cannot believe Catlyn would do that, she's portrayed as such a brave, strong character. Oh well. Also, Rob Stark finally getting some ;D

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Huh...

Just watched ep7 and i'll watch ep8 in a second but since the ep8 discussion hasn't started and instead everyone wants to bicker about pointless stuff I have this TV/book question about Qarth.

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I take it 'the thirteen' are TV exclusive and aren't involved in the book at all? I saw some of the comments about the dragons being stolen in regards to that not happening in the books and that she just goes to the house of the undying. That would make the murdering of the thirteen event kind of odd since it's directly tied to the dragons being stolen which apparently didn't happen in the books.

Tell me also, how different/faithful is this season? It sounded like Season 1 was faithful except for some things being let out but it sounds like they've outright been changing things in Season 2.

Just saw ep8 and I guess that answers Skitzors question.

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With Stannis almost at King's Landing and Daenerys going to get her dragons hopefully somethings going to happen soon. I have to agree in part with the poster a bunch of pages back, not much has really happened this season, mostly seems like setting up for the future seasons. Everything just feels really low key and unimportant, even if something *does* happen (eg: the thirteen).

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Just saw ep8 and I guess that answers Skitzors question.

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yeah. I guess I over-estimated the **** of theon. crying over two slave boys just didn't seem like something he would do. I guess it does make sense in a roundabout away.

few subtle things in that episode.

the stormcrow hinting he wants snow to kill him to gain the respect.

incest lady getting the wrong woman, which I assume is because Tyrion gave her some type of jewelry or money or something to make up for what she had to do.

and it feels like the warlocks of qarth are going to enhance the growth of the dragons through magic or something. as mr eunich said, they would probably take years to grow, which seems too long for the series.

as people have said, everything seems to be building. next two episodes should be really good. I doubt they would leave anything exciting until next season. not very good for viewers.

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I think that scene with Theon was just not that well done. I knew that they were the orphan kids (one of the many spoilers i've been given) but even then his reaction was really 'wtf?' to me. And for me as a rule unless you actually see them die, they're not dead, especially in anime's.

Question about Arya. Why does she want Tywin dead? He's treated her very well and besides technically being the enemy in the war why would she want to personally have him killed?

[Dean]

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Swear Jar!

[Helelix]

Minor book & tv spoilers relating to the consistency between the two.

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So they kinda are staying faithful to the books but they are changing the circumstances in which things happen. In the books the 13 don't die but Daenery's willingly goes to the Tower of the Undying with one of her dragons (the outcome will probably be the same though). Jon also doesn't get captured like that. Robb falls in love with a Lady from a minor (Lanister sworn) house, not a noblewoman from Volantis. Jamie and Brenne escape like that although they have another character accompanying them. Ayra makes Jaquen help her free captured soldiers sworn to the North and later escapes Harrenhal. In Winterfell, Bran and Rickon escape Theon's grasp the same way although they are accompanied by 2 characters which the tv series hasn't introduced yet.

As I said, the tv series still has the same outcomes as the books but they just do it a different (less time consuming) way. But I am a but worried about a few of the missing characters, as they do become quite prominent later on.

and it feels like the warlocks of qarth are going to enhance the growth of the dragons through magic or something. as mr eunich said, they would probably take years to grow, which seems too long for the series.

Just so you know, at the end of the latest (5th) book Daenery's is still across the Narrow Sea. I would expect her to get to Westeros in the 6th or 7th season.

Also, trailers for next weeks episode:

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So yeah, you can tell whats going to happen.

[AzraelTheCow]

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Question about Arya. Why does she want Tywin dead? He's treated her very well and besides technically being the enemy in the war why would she want to personally have him killed?

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I should think it is because he's marching for a unexpected attack on her big brother (Rob) and is one of the few competent generals that could give Rob a hiding.

...and a TV spoiler revealed from talk of budget

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A large part of this seasons budget was apparently spent on some massive battle scenes.

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I hope they're more massive than what those clips above showed.

Kinda weird tbh, it feels like the fight is going to be too soon, there just hasn't been enough foreshadowing of this attack on King's Landing. Sure we've been told about it a lot and this last episode we actually got to see a little of the preparations but still, I feel like there's been no buildup for it. Maybe it's better paced in the book, all the time we spend with Robb, Jon, Daenarys etc just takes away time for building up this massive siege.

Also Joffrey has barely been in the story this season, is that the same as the book? I feel it's weakening his character being absent so much given his important stature and the fact he is the cause for this entire story.

The lack of Stannis has also been disturbing, it's probably also part of what's making this attack feel like it lacks any build up. He's the one doing the siege but before the 2 seconds he got this episode when was the last time we saw him?

[Nekosan]

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The reason it seems to build up to action and then never happen is because they keep cutting it out, there were a pile of little scenes like Jaime killing 10 guys the first time he got his hands on a sword that were cut for one reason or another.

I would expect that the only real action we'll get this season will be the battle at kings landing, we're gonna get a pile of green CG fire and not much else i think.

re:this episode

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My fav part in the series was in this episode, not sure if they did it justice, Valar Morghulis.

For anyone wondering about Maester Lewin staring at the burned bodies this episode, he was staring at the bigger ones legs, Brans are atrophied because of the paralysis and the charred corpse had normal legs.

Mirin Biter's teeth this episode, got their sharp on.

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With Stannis almost at King's Landing and Daenerys going to get her dragons hopefully somethings going to happen soon. I have to agree in part with the poster a bunch of pages back, not much has really happened this season, mostly seems like setting up for the future seasons. Everything just feels really low key and unimportant, even if something *does* happen (eg: the thirteen).

Second book discussion (semi-spoilers, though not really at all)

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Yea, after finishing the last 100 pages of book two, nothing really does happen thats of much import. everyone's still basically where they were at the end of book one, some people have taken a few steps forward, some have disappeared, some really havent gone anywhere...

quite disappointing after the first season's awesomeness, but it seems GRMM wrote this book knowing there'd be more after so he didnt really make anything happen just to keep people reading.

as i said a few pages ago, i do enjoy the book, and the tv series that's come with it, but it just doesnt feel as interesting as the first did.

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Question about Arya. Why does she want Tywin dead? He's treated her very well and besides technically being the enemy in the war why would she want to personally have him killed?

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I think that is the reason. his current aim is to have his brother killed. if he dies, chances are the army won't fare as well.

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Yeah, fair enough, but it still feels off that he treated her so well yet she still wanted to kill him.

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The reason it seems to build up to action and then never happen is because they keep cutting it out, there were a pile of little scenes like Jaime killing 10 guys the first time he got his hands on a sword that were cut for one reason or another.

I would expect that the only real action we'll get this season will be the battle at kings landing, we're gonna get a pile of green CG fire and not much else i think.

Hopefully Storm of Swords being split into two seasons means that all these battles won't be skipped. Though it's kind of dawning on me that having to wait a year for the second part of the story is gonna be painful. Might actually end up reading ahead of the tv series.

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Why is it called the war of the five kings again? I remember Renly, Stannis, Joffrey and Robb but who's the fifth? I think there was mention of the former Nights Watch Wildling person being the fifth but i'm unure how many of the other characters have heard of that and even then why would the Westeros people acknowledge the Wildling King?

[BBlunt]

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Yeah, fair enough, but it still feels off that he treated her so well yet she still wanted to kill him.

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The reason it seems to build up to action and then never happen is because they keep cutting it out, there were a pile of little scenes like Jaime killing 10 guys the first time he got his hands on a sword that were cut for one reason or another.

I would expect that the only real action we'll get this season will be the battle at kings landing, we're gonna get a pile of green CG fire and not much else i think.

Hopefully Storm of Swords being split into two seasons means that all these battles won't be skipped. Though it's kind of dawning on me that having to wait a year for the second part of the story is gonna be painful. Might actually end up reading ahead of the tv series.

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Why is it called the war of the five kings again? I remember Renly, Stannis, Joffrey and Robb but who's the fifth? I think there was mention of the former Nights Watch Wildling person being the fifth but i'm unure how many of the other characters have heard of that and even then why would the Westeros people acknowledge the Wildling King?

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Balon Greyjoy

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Oh I had forgotten about him. I didn't realize that he's done anything to make his desires known and I could swear the Queen commented on the Wildling King being the fifth King once.

Yep I just checked and the Queen made a joking remark about the Wildling King being a fifth King in ep2.

[Yurtles]

This thread has more clicking than Diablo .
It was me a couple pages back that said I didn't think the episodes were doing much and only sort of building to something that never actually came.
I haven't had that impression for the last 3 episodes now, I personally think they're well back on track with making each episode enjoyable in itself.
Sure there's always future events everyone's referring to but for the TV show I think they're mostly excellent at making you feel the here and now stuff has weight and matters. Not at all like the damn books which are 90% allusion - they should almost come with warning stickers...