Consoles are Dead, Claims Firefall Developers

[Joshsux]

Gaming in general is cheap, a console every 3-7 years? What's that ? a whopping $300-$100 a year?... What about a PC? A decent PC would set you back with upgrades, about $1000-$700 every 2-3 years? And how much entertainment do you get out of them ? Not factoring in games in general, But how can they be dead? No matter what you go for, PC or console. it's still a cheap **** way of entertainment.

[jerichosainte]

Story = consoles are dead.. Argument = consoles will never be dead...
And console kiddies qq ?
Nothing wrong with being a pc gamer and owning a console.. Just dont pretend that its not a complete waste of money, costing every gamer (not just yourself) in the long run and your gaming experence would not be superior if you could get the "console xyz exclusive" on pc..
Even if you are still forced to use a controller (or choose to) rather than keyboard and mouse.. graphics, audio, ai, level size/complexity could be improved by developers if they developed for pc instead of console and you would therefore get a superior game even if they retain the same gameplay.

Can a "pro console" person please explain to me why if you could get your console games on pc.. why you wouldnt use a pc connected to your tv or multi monitor setup?
-Pro's ..
You would get better games over all..
Cheeper in the long run..
Usable for more things..
-Con's ...
None ?

Marketing is the only thing limiting game choice.. They HAVE to release exclusives otherwise they would never sell their inferior hardware.
The flip side is.. If the console consumers stop buying their "exclusives" then those exclusives will stop being exclusive.
When the big 3 realise they arent selling.. the games will get released on multi platform and you could then buy them for pc..
Pc game sales increase, developers stop coding for outdated hardware.. and you get superior games...

QQ all you like. Its still the truth.

There is a difference between the truth and your opinion dude....write that down.

[DarkMellie]

Can a "pro console" person please explain to me why if you could get your console games on pc.. why you wouldnt use a pc connected to your tv or multi monitor setup?

So let me reiterate again that I have two Xbox's, a PS3, a kick-arse PC with all the peripherals, a kick-arse Alienware laptop, an iPhone, an iPad, a Wii and a PSP... and I play them ALL.

Your PC-centric focus makes you handicapped, as I stated earlier.

Downstairs I have an Xbox plugged into my main monitor so I can surf/chat on my PC's other screen while partying up and playing with mates on the Xbox. I like the XBL user interface, I like the connectivity and I love the gamerscore.

Upstairs on my (now tiny) 55" LCD I have my other Xbox, the PS3 and the Wii... I love kicking back on my couch and playing games on there too. I actually can't be bothered hooking up my PC.. in-fact, I wouldn't even know how to do it! Crazy hey! I'm an intelligent person that hasn't figured out how to do everything in the universe yet.. you think I'd be ashamed.

Even if I could get my PC playing games on every device (and by your logic I presume that mobile gaming is stupid too so I'd want to hook up my PC to my iPad/phone) I wouldn't want it. Too many mates have Xbox and I'd miss gaming with them and boosting my gamerscore.

The way of the future is consoles, insofar as it makes it easier for people to access content. In 50 years time PC's of our age will look as alien and ancient as the DOS prompts and mouseless computers of the 80's. Switching on and having the game/experience right there is the key to the future and despite elitist PC chaps like yourself, most of the population want that immediacy over having to manually install things and reconfigure things and troubleshoot and so on and so on...


/opinion


EDIT: oh wait, I just realised everything to you is about Graphics. It's okay man, I've been there before, I too forgot that it's about fun.

[rapid101]

Meh, I disagree (though I wish he was right). If consoles were dead there wouldn't be people saying "this gen can go for another 2 years, we don't need new consoles". You'd see developers pushing for bigger and better games with shinier graphics and looking at higher-end PCs as benchmarks. We're not seeing that. We're seeing poorly ported, low-mid range games being toted as new and shiny on consoles still.

The industry cannot last on 20million dollar budgets, and you're foolish to think so.

If you want shiny graphics over any form of substance go watch transformers 2 kid, whilst I enjoy The Godfather.

Also, the developer is ironic considering he used to work on WoW, a game built around keeping you subscribing at minimal cost to them.

Gaming in general is cheap, a console every 3-7 years? What's that ? a whopping $300-$100 a year?... What about a PC? A decent PC would set you back with upgrades, about $1000-$700 every 2-3 years? And how much entertainment do you get out of them ? Not factoring in games in general, But how can they be dead? No matter what you go for, PC or console. it's still a cheap **** way of entertainment.

Mine's cost me about $2000 the past 6 years, with replacements coming when i can't run a game on low or a part dies (parts die a lot).

Anyone who is sole-PC and doesn't respect consoles is a moron and I'm sick of explaining why. Some people just prefer usability without tedious driver updates and averting virii, they want to put the disc in and play, and they want to sit down and play with 3 mates, not to mention they don't know how to build a custom PC considering it is a lot more expensive for only a graphical enhancement (PFFT, gameplay>graphics any day of the week, go outside if you want some pretty HDR). An x360 4 years ago would've set you back $200 vs a gaming PC requiring $800 for slightly above graphics. Nowadays it is different because, hey, the new gen is coming out so no duh consoles won't be as cost effective anymore!

[Bluefire]

Im pretty sure Ive never said anything against mobile gaming.. there is 3 android devices in my house right now and waiting for new pad to be released to add a 4th.
There is also supprise .. a wii hooked up next to the pc that is connected to the tv.. and a 360 in a box out in the shed... why.. cause the wife wanted to play a console exclusve titles... complete waste of money... brought it.. played it for maybe 10hrs total and then it collected dust. wii gets used for mario cart etc when drunk people who dont know how to use a pc visit..
Could have saved SO much money if mario cart came out on pc instead...

Also no pc gamer has ever said they want shiny games with no content...
We are saying if it wasnt for "console gamers" then we WOULD have games with the same content that currently exist. However those games would also look better, play better etc.
Its like watching godfather on you 80" supa-led-tv played in 2.0 stereo from a VHS tape vs watching it redubbed with 7.1 surround and HD on a blueray...
Same content.. personally I would choose the blueray copy...

[Nekosan]

Also no pc gamer has ever said they want shiny games with no content...
We are saying if it wasnt for "console gamers" then we WOULD have games with the same content that currently exist. However those games would also look better, play better etc.

You're delusional if you really believe that's a real argument, if consoles didn't exist then gaming would be more than a decade behind where it currently is, time to pull the stick out of your butt and just enjoy games no matter what platform they're on.

[DarkMellie]

if consoles didn't exist then gaming would be more than a decade behind where it currently is.

Amen to that!

[Bluefire]

lol is that how console gamers try to justify it ? I always wondered..
Holding game development back is HELPING game advancement.. got it

[Marius]

Consoles do help because they open up more markets, and so ensure more funding to development. Investors like that kind of revenue coming from different markets. The PC market isn't big enough to justify some of the investment we've seen... unless your definition of PC gaming is MMOs.

[PinothyJ]

Consoles do help because they open up more markets, and so ensure more funding to development. Investors like that kind of revenue coming from different markets. The PC market isn't big enough to justify some of the investment we've seen... unless your definition of PC gaming is MMOs.

To continue my rant: how ignorant are these tossers who think about their little country and nothing else! Have a look at Japan where it is impractical to have a computer because of the sheer density of population! Yeah, let us cull the entire market just so you can get better games when it is down to the people LIKE YOU who decide whether you are going to hold back your PC release because of consoles!


You fight the good fight, Mr Vuleta…

[DarkMellie]

console gamers

The tone of your conversation so far is ridiculously derogatory. That people have a different opinion to you doesn't make you smarter or better than them.

Holding game development back is HELPING game advancement.. got it

Consoles have always brought gaming to the mass market. The success of this latest generation has turned games into a seriously big business, arguably (although I think it's factually) the biggest entertainment industry in the world. It's the money coming in from all those monkeys who can't build a high-end PC and plug it into their television that gives us such a massive choice of games. We are spoilt in this generation, and it will only get better.

Sure, you are right in that PC's aren't exactly forging ahead with technology because the smart money just isn't there for it... but new tech needs games needs new tech, and consoles right now are pulling in, and will continue to pull in, far more than PC's alone would ever be capable of. Development might be slower, sure, but we're already seeing a tilt back towards PC's for their graphical capabilities and the console makers will catch-up. It's a cycle that could continue for decades and it will only ever go up.


The PC heyday was BS, I was there, I'll take 5 modern crappy titles over any single 'brilliant' PC game from the 80's/90's. It's like Jimi Hendrix, that stuff was only important for its time and as an enabler for people in the future to surpass it.

[Joshsux]

I don't understand how everyone can presume the future....

How can you say Consoles opening up more of a market is helping game development?

How do you know that if consoles didn't exist, Microsoft wouldn't have expanded PC's to smaller boxes, with the same type of controller, And made games pretty much plug and play ?

Thing is, Consoles do exist, but you can NEVER turn around confidentially and say if it wasn't for consoles gaming would not have advanced as quick.... Consoles are using always old PC tech in the first place, So that doesn't require a console, The cost would be COMPLETELY different as the only way for people to game would require a PC, in which case everyone WOULD own a PC, or a special "gaming pc" that's cheaper, smaller etc that microsoft may have invented....

PC Gaming did very well back in the day, Every game on PC always looked and had better gameplay than the console, even way back in the normal xbox days... They had better and more advanced games than the ones on SNES etc.... PC Gaming has seemed to always be ahead.

Before PC gaming could take off consoles were starting to be released, consoles have been around for a long time so there's no way you can confidentially know what the past would have held without consoles around.

[Mekon]

How do you know that if consoles didn't exist, Microsoft wouldn't have expanded PC's to smaller boxes, with the same type of controller, And made games pretty much plug and play ?

Because consoles existed before Microsoft got into the O/S game (yes, I remember Microsoft being responsible for the BASIC compiler on my ancient Dragon 32)? Consoles evolved directly from arcade machines (especially the SEGA offerings).

Consoles are using always old PC tech in the first place

The Cell processor isn't old PC tech... it's why developers had so much trouble coding for the PS3, because it wasn't an architecture they were familiar with.

Before PC gaming could take off consoles were starting to be released, consoles have been around for a long time so there's no way you can confidentially know what the past would have held without consoles around.

Indeed. Console gaming was around long before PC gaming (referring to IBM compatible PCs), although there were a vast number of home PC options during the 80s (Commodore, Tandy, Spectrum, Apple, Amstrad, etc) with vastly different specs and abilities.

Prior to consoles, gaming was a niche market for nerds. Consoles opened the industry up to the broader populace - those who didn't want to learn geeky PC stuff, but were more than happy to play games in arcades.