New SimCity Requires Constant Internet Connection

[TRB]

Jesus, I said 2005 Steam because that's when HL2 shipped (remember? the Steam exclusive?), steam existed long before that. Furthermore to expect Origin to be at the same standard of current steam at Day 0 is insane, that's not how the business works. Developing such an extensive platform takes a long time and a lot of money. From a business standpoint incremental improvements are far more economical. Origin is **** now, yes, but it wont be forever.

Wrong, on every point.

Origin is just EADM re-named.
Its been around basically as long as steam.
Its always been a pointless, featureless, waste of time, it is not, has not and never will be "an extensive platform", it is, was and will be a **** shop front which serves no point for the end user.
aka: its **** now, it was **** before and it will always be ****.

And to be around the 'level' of the competition is EXACTLY how business works.
If it wasn't then new brands wouldn't ever get anywhere since there would already be a product that fills that segment and does a better job.

see my above example about cars.
Great Wall tried to bring their **** Chinese cars here and when they completely failed the safety tests we told them to get lost.
They didn't get to 'compete' until they managed the bare minimum ANCAP rating like all the other cars on the market here.

If origin was a car it'd have failed the ANCAP rating still because it doesn't meet minimum standard.
In this case, its NOT a useful piece of software, its just a featureless piece of bloat.


http://au.gamespot.com/news/ea-soft-lau ... nk-6160884
Just for proof EADM has been around for 7+ years and has changed its name nearly as many times.

[That_Stevens_Guy]

Suddenly all interest in this game has been lost.

I will stick with playing Sim City 4 lol.

[skitzor]

skitz... it was already mentioned in the article.

apologies.

honestly I didn't really check what had been said. the title is a bit misleading, and I thought there wouldn't be this much heated discussion on it.

[spawneh]

I find origin to be pretty alright. Has amazing download speeds, much better than I have ever seen from steam. Never had issues with downloads pausing as they cant find anywhere to download from, which always happens to me on steam. So at least origin got that right.

I know I can open origin in the morning and set BF3 patch to downloading and I know it will be done by the time I get home. With steam I start a download in the morning and get home to a "download starting" message.

I assume offline mode or something for origin doesn't exist yet? Haven't checked or heard anything about it. Would sim city work with an offline mode?

[libbaz]

I kinda feel sorry for you TRB, that's a hell of a lot of games your gonna miss out on because of you blind hatred. good luck building that time machine back to the mid 90's, your gonna need it.

By the way, nothing I said was inherently wrong, just an opinion. As is yours. Only difference is I manage to maintain some level of maturity my in approach. Anyway you want to look at it, at the end of the day traditional Brick & Mortar aren't providing publishers with the digital rights management they expect, and fail at providing customers with convenient access to digital software.

Digital Distribution is where the industry is heading, either you adapt with the trend or you get a new hobby. I hear golf is supposed to be relaxing.

[Ashigaru]

I still don't get why everyone is so angry with origin. I find it faster than steam on downloads and actually have less issues with it... WTH people? It makes eff all difference....

[Matty]

I hear golf is supposed to be relaxing.

Ha! Like hell it is!

[TRB]

I find origin to be pretty alright. Has amazing download speeds, much better than I have ever seen from steam. Never had issues with downloads pausing as they cant find anywhere to download from, which always happens to me on steam. So at least origin got that right.

I know I can open origin in the morning and set BF3 patch to downloading and I know it will be done by the time I get home. With steam I start a download in the morning and get home to a "download starting" message.

I assume offline mode or something for origin doesn't exist yet? Haven't checked or heard anything about it. Would sim city work with an offline mode?

You'll get just as many people, like me, who have never had a problem with steam download speed, just recently I redownloaded CoH [about 9 or 10 gigs] on steam and it downloaded just as fast as my connection would allow [adsl 2+ 10mb sync]
So I'll counter your anecdotal evidence with one of my own.
as for steam not finding anywhere to download from, what? its not a torrent.
maybe you're using a certain piece of software to limit sever choice to Australian hosted servers only?

I kinda feel sorry for you TRB, that's a hell of a lot of games your gonna miss out on because of you blind hatred. good luck building that time machine back to the mid 90's, your gonna need it.

By the way, nothing I said was inherently wrong, just an opinion. As is yours. Only difference is I manage to maintain some level of maturity my in approach. Anyway you want to look at it, at the end of the day traditional Brick & Mortar aren't providing publishers with the digital rights management they expect, and fail at providing customers with convenient access to digital software.

Digital Distribution is where the industry is heading, either you adapt with the trend or you get a new hobby. I hear golf is supposed to be relaxing.

What games will I miss out on?
Do you read what people write?
I already said I use Origin for BF3 and ME3 so ...

By the way what you said was in fact demonstrably false.
Which was why I went so far as to outline your misinformation for what it was.
You're argument was based around this period in time being "day 0" for EA's digital shop front, which I and others then pointed out is totally factually incorrect.
You didn't even get the release year for HL2 correct.

I never mentioned physical retail outlets in my posts in this thread, and in other threads I've never made supporting arguments for them.

If you're going to respond directly to me why not address what it is I was actually saying, not unrelated topics which I've not mentioned?

[akira675]

I hear golf is supposed to be relaxing.

Ha! Like hell it is!

This is a pretty accurate assessment of golf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4

[libbaz]

Sigh, it is just me or are we going around in circles? But since you asked I'll reiterate.
1) Ok, yes I agreed that HL2 came out in 2004, I also agreed that it was nitpicking, and beside the point.
2) Origin, despite using some of the code, is NOT EADM rebranded. Its target goals, marketing, and adoption expectations are completely different. The only thing EA had going for them some existing (albeit rubbish) software to build it on.
3) Steam is great, I love it, use it for most of my games, but we are living in a commercial world. It cant be just Steam. It doesn't make sense from a consumer standpoint, and makes even less sense from a competitor standpoint (like EA).
4) Origin would not have benefited to be released as a full Steam replacement. To release on a wide heterogeneous platform, all the necessary features, all at once, would have been a nightmare, both for consumers and EA. An incremental, controlled rollout makes much more sense. See, Iterative and incremental development.

Steam, Origin, GFWL (ok yeah, this one you can hate lol), are just the start. More publishers will see the benefit of having their own content delivery service. Yes its going to be bumpy, change usually is, but the outcome *should* provide us with content that is conveniently available without the horrific activation limits we are seeing today.

This is a pretty accurate assessment of golf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4

BAHAHAHAHA, I forgot about that act.

[Scarshi]

So many spoiled brats.

If you don't want to be tracked, turn off your phone, gps, e-mail and facebook/twitter/google+/live/etc. accounts, don't be in front of a camera on or off, and don't stand under direct view of any satellites when outside.

Or just accept big brother is always watching in some form and try and have fun with what you can get.

I hope Simcity gets good reviews either way.

[TRB]

So many spoiled brats.

If you don't want to be tracked, turn off your phone, gps, e-mail and facebook/twitter/google+/live/etc. accounts, don't be in front of a camera on or off, and don't stand under direct view of any satellites when outside.

Or just accept big brother is always watching in some form and try and have fun with what you can get.

I hope Simcity gets good reviews either way.

So you'd have no problem then if 'Authorities' or companies installed audio/visual monitoring equipment in each room of your house and car as part of the T&C of the next product license agreement?
since big-brother is watching anyway, right?

because thats whats down the path for what your saying if you take it to its logical conclusion.
it'll end with people having surgically implanted RFID tracking devices surgically implanted if everyone takes your stance on it.

2) Origin, despite using some of the code, is NOT EADM rebranded. Its target goals, marketing, and adoption expectations are completely different. The only thing EA had going for them some existing (albeit rubbish) software to build it on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_%28 ... elivery%29

I can 100% assure you that if it wasn't true EA would have edited the wiki entry within hours of it being written.

download them with the Origin client (formerly EA Download Manager, EA Downloader and EA Link).

origin shop/website and Origin client are 2 different things.
the origin client loads the origin website in the inbuilt browser.
the origin client is just another version of EADM.

when people on this forum say they don't like 'origin' they mean the intrusive pointless client that serves no purpose other then to annoy the customer.
You can add all the friends you like on origin, but you'll have to add them all over again in battle log to be of any use for BF3.
why does BF3 load origin? since you have to also log in in battle log?
why when playing BF3 do I need to run a browser with battle log plugin AND origin?

You can go to origin the website in your regular browser, you can shop on origin in your regular browser.
origin the client is really just another version of EADM.

[Vencha88]

So you'd have no problem then if 'Authorities' or companies installed audio/visual monitoring equipment in each room of your house and car as part of the T&C of the next product license agreement?
since big-brother is watching anyway, right?

because thats whats down the path for what your saying if you take it to its logical conclusion.
it'll end with people having surgically implanted RFID tracking devices surgically implanted if everyone takes your stance on it.

Any "slippery slope" argument is just idotic and grasping. SimCity 5 != 1984.