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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby Makena » 23 Mar 12, 10:37 am

steve_rogers42 wrote:I dare say it will hurt 7970 pricing once it gets out this is gk104, a lot of people were expecting gk110 but it seems we shall have to wait, i am wondering what AMD's volley will do, considering the 6870 to 6970 debarkle... could there be a 7990 in the works?

i think this should drop the 7950 to a decent price point, which should be great.

hmmm if they bring out a 660... or a 660 ti would be interesting to see if their mid range card is on par with a 580...


With how well the gk104 is going, would it be a huge shock for them to hold the gk110 till AMD does a 8000 series? Probably a good chance it'd hold its own against that, unless AMD has a nice trick they're holding back while they waited on Kepler.
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby Ash_Williams » 23 Mar 12, 10:18 pm

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/2641/nv ... sh-version

Some people want to watch the world burn. QUAD-SLI!?

They do seem to be rather power efficient O_O
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby exe3 » 23 Mar 12, 10:54 pm

Adaptive Vsync sounds like epic win to me, does anyone know if this does anything to the latency some games get when vsync is enabled?

And even if it's 'only' the GK104, it's still smashing things in the benchmarks. Makes me want a new computer. D: And my understanding was that the GTX680 was their intro card and they'd be doing a super version of it later this year as the GK110.

What does the GK110 offer over the GK104? I only know of a 384-bit memory bus and more cores etc.
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby Shinanigans » 23 Mar 12, 11:05 pm

Or as compared to its more direct ancestor the GTX 560 Ti

:? This part confuses me... so this isn't the replacement for the 580? WTF is? :o When?
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby TheD » 23 Mar 12, 11:32 pm

exe3 wrote:Adaptive Vsync sounds like epic win to me


No it's not.

Ever heard of triple buffering?

Adaptive vsync only came around due to consoles being so hard up for ram they could not afford an other back buffer.

This is just being able to force it in the driver anyway. DX10/11 has had support for programs asking to use it since it came out AFAIK and OpenGL programs can use it since carmack put it in rage and made Nvidia and AMD update drivers to support the OpenGL extension for it.
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby drallim » 24 Mar 12, 1:44 am

I'm seeing some really varied results from different reviews. Some show the 680 performing much better than others.

For now I'm putting this down to the turbo mode that cannot be disabled. Essentially every 680 is overclocked on the fly, so results will vary from board to board. No-one seems to have figured out exactly what's going on yet, I've seen some results where performance actually dropped when the 680 was overclocked. At similar clocks the 680 and 7970 seem to be more or less neck and neck. Still, that is AMD's fault for setting their base clock so low, and nvidia's win for clever marketing and having a built in auto-overclock.

680 is targeted squarely at gaming, and doesn't include a lot of the compute-centric stuff that fermi and 79xx do, gf110 will be the big, expensive compute card. No surprise then that the 680 has a slight cost/power edge over the 7970 for gaming, but I think the difference in terms of the performance ceiling is much smaller than most of these reviews would have you believe.

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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby Shinanigans » 24 Mar 12, 6:29 am

For now I'm putting this down to the turbo mode that cannot be disabled. Essentially every 680 is overclocked on the fly, so results will vary from board to board. No-one seems to have figured out exactly what's going on yet, I've seen some results where performance actually dropped when the 680 was overclocked.
The ~50MHz increase isn't going to make much difference, even on paper, you're only talking 1-5% performance increase, 2-3fps in most cases which is still in the margin of error region.

As is to be expected, the impact of GPU Boost varies depending on the game, but overall we found that enabling GPU boost on our card only improves performance by an average of 3%, and by no more than 5%.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvid ... 0-review/4
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby steve_rogers42 » 24 Mar 12, 8:39 am

If anything the slight overclock the cards perform on themselves, and those done in the guru3d article seem to show the slight boost actually makes performance better at higher resolutions.

I think the 680 will be the card to beat when it comes to multi monitor gaming. My main gripes with AMD's eyefinity was that you needed a dp port on the monitor or a adaptor to get it to run on your current monitors, although the 680 still has a dp port, two dl-dvi and one full size hdmi is an all rounder approach to display technologies, unless your running a vga flatscreen...

OK, history lesson for the few not getting or understanding the 680 -> 560 references ;)

with the release of the 400 series (so 460/470/480) fermi cards the release structure was like this...

march 2010, the 470 and the 480 were released, both had the GF100 gpu in them

July 2010, the 460 was release it had a cut down variation of fermi released as the GF104 gpu

scoot forward a bit

November and December 2010 we saw the release of the 580 and 570, using the GF110

January and May of 2010 gave us the 560 and 560Ti using the GF 114

So now we have the GTX 680, which many thought after the release of the majority of AMD's current graphics lineup, we would see a true to form release of the GK100
(note: nivida gpu's are Geforce Fermi for the 400/500 series, since the 600 is Keplar its GK)

but, instead we get the GK104, which makes everyone look at the previous 104/114 and go 'hey, thats very interesting' then look at the differences between the 100 and the 104 and the 110 and the 114, which is why everyone is looking at the 680 and wondering what nvidia has up its sleeve RE GK100, or if we will see something similar to the G80 or our beloved 8800GTS and 8800 GTX where the 'high end' cards were released with the G80 core and a year later the G92-200 or the 8800GT was released and nvidia quickly churned out the G9X series cards (9X00's) before moving to the revised GT100 series then the new gen GT200 cards.

Prices are very scary atm, i for one was interested to find out, after a phone call with my bro in law from Singapore that the GTX 680's on sale there were going for ~$700 AUD. If anyone remembers the prices of 8800GTX/GTS's when they first dropped, it looks like we are going into a similar price war unless the 7990 drops and gracefully gives us a price point that makes the AMD series compete.

This isnt a complete washout for AMD, if anything i think it will give people reason to pick up a 7950 or 7990 on the cheap if they are looking to upgrade from a 480/470 or a 5870 meanwhile putting pennies away for when the 'bigger' keplar card drops, or amd's 'response'.

I will be watching 7950 prices closely, i think its the better choice from amd's current range...
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby Shinanigans » 24 Mar 12, 9:34 am

But the naming convention makes no sense.

If...
560 = 680
Then...
580 = 6??
590 = 6??

Completely throws the system out the window that's been in place since the 280. Additionally, the launch price of $499USD is the same launch price as the 580, as opposed to the $249 launch price of the 560Ti.

Aside from the '4' in the chip name, nothing points to this being the successor of the 560Ti. If this isn't the single-GPU flagship of the 600 series, i'm eager to see what is!

This seems to make sense: http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1507472
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby Ninja Catfish » 24 Mar 12, 1:49 pm

Shinanigans wrote:
Or as compared to its more direct ancestor the GTX 560 Ti

:? This part confuses me... so this isn't the replacement for the 580? WTF is? :o When?

My understanding is that the GTX780 will be the highest end card, while the 680 will be a mid-ranger.

That's the impression I got in this article.
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby Instinx » 24 Mar 12, 4:51 pm

Well the Anandtech review does have about 3 pages on the 560->680. Basically my view from reading it was that the architecture for the 680 favours computer gaming, instead of computing power, like the 560Ti. The 580 actually was only on par effective at rendering games as the 560Ti, yet it won the few extra frames because of its computing power. The 680 does not have this extra computing power.

I think its pricing under the 7970 in the US shows what kind of card it is, not a monster but a well developed card which can take the crown in powerful consumer graphics from AMDs range.

Maybe think of the 580 vs 680 as the X58 i7s vs the Z68 i7s. Although now i think i'm confusing myself..
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby 10dollars » 26 Mar 12, 12:40 pm

PCCG have weird pricing.
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Re: GTX 680 - Kepler appreciation thread.

Unread postby mkeating » 26 Mar 12, 9:35 pm

Confusing but interesting.

Glad I held out on upgrading my GPU, for the moment.
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