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Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Marius » 22 Mar 12, 1:37 am

From http://blog.bioware.com/

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

I believe passionately that games are an art form, and that the power of our medium flows from our audience, who are deeply involved in how the story unfolds, and who have the uncontested right to provide constructive criticism. At the same time, I also believe in and support the artistic choices made by the development team. The team and I have been thinking hard about how to best address the comments on ME3’s endings from players, while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the game.

Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it. The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.

To that end, since the game launched, the team has been poring over everything they can find about reactions to the game – industry press, forums, Facebook, and Twitter, just to name a few. The Mass Effect team, like other teams across the BioWare Label within EA, consists of passionate people who work hard for the love of creating experiences that excite and delight our fans. I’m honored to work with them because they have the courage and strength to respond to constructive feedback.

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Nemesis_22 » 22 Mar 12, 3:44 am

*Thumbs up to Dr Ray.*

He seems to be taking this very, very seriously. And I'm glad of that. The ending did leave a sour taste in my mouth, even though I was expecting it. It was depressing.

While at first I was a bit disconcerted and even a little disgusted about people's response to the ending, that was admittedly before I 'got' to the ending. Everything leading up to that ending was magnificent, really. That whole earth battle sequence up until then was GLORIOUS. I even liked the whole fetch and do quest thingies going on - yes, a lot of people died while it was going on, but they needed to both flesh the game out somehow, and at the same time, make it seem believable that Shepard could bring all the races together. Not an easy feat - there were a LOT of old rivalries to overcome there.

But the ending just left me feeling sad (and not just because that last song nearly breaks me every single time). But because it was just so unfulfilling. The only true ending (following indoctrination theory) is, when you get down to it, renegade (it has the red light after all) and I played the game as a straight as a die paragon. It wasn't the choice I wanted to make. It wasn't the choice I 'would' make. But the others were clearly a damnable trap.

I understand now why there were so many complaints about the ending. These people are passionate about a game they love, and I mean -love-. Mass Effect is a freakin' GREAT series with great characters and voice acting. Garrus is, and always will be, my bro and best friend. To get an ending that just felt... disconnected from everything else that was so very good, was deeply saddening.

I really hope they shed more light on what they are thinking soon. I couldn't find out what was coming fast enough.

Thanks for these posts Marius. I don't frequent Bioware's forums much, but these posts here help me keep track of whats going on.
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 22 Mar 12, 6:20 am

Nemesis_22 wrote:(and not just because that last song nearly breaks me every single time).

The Vigil theme from Mass Effect 1 that played with the Old Man at the end? That's the best theme from the entire series imo, perfectly gets the mood and setting of the games.
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Marius » 22 Mar 12, 6:30 am



This is the song that plays right at the end during the flashback sequence. Otherwise called 'Kelly saves the galaxy', based on the indoctrination theory. :P
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Disco LT » 22 Mar 12, 12:37 pm

I cried at the end.
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Nemesis_22 » 22 Mar 12, 3:12 pm

Since no matter what it is I do, I cannot link things from youtube -ever- (and I have no idea why) I'll just post the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5JvbD2Zc9I

This is the song that plays during the end animation, when everything goes to hell. Some people might find it makes them angry, not me.

EDIT - the one you posted Marius is actually the one where the kid dies for the first time, as you leave. This is a slower version of it however.
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 22 Mar 12, 3:40 pm

Ah yeah. The one I was talking is called 'Vigil' which was originally in ME1 (main menu music as well as what played when you encountered the Prothean VI on Ilos)


It also plays in the Stargazer scene (the post-credits scene in ME3 with Buzz Aldrin)
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Marius » 22 Mar 12, 6:29 pm

Nemesis_22 wrote:EDIT - the one you posted Marius is actually the one where the kid dies for the first time, as you leave. This is a slower version of it however.

It also plays at the end, because there's parts where you hear the reaper noise.

They use both tracks, I think.
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Tim Colwill » 22 Mar 12, 6:39 pm

Everyone seems to be excited that BioWare are "changing the ending" of Mass Effect 3. From what I read of Ray's post, he's actually saying "okay, we'll explain some of the **** we glossed over".

There are more problems with the ending than can be fixed with a simple explanation of who was where and what happened after the big explosion.
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 22 Mar 12, 7:57 pm

Marius wrote:
Nemesis_22 wrote:EDIT - the one you posted Marius is actually the one where the kid dies for the first time, as you leave. This is a slower version of it however.

It also plays at the end, because there's parts where you hear the reaper noise.

They use both tracks, I think.

Nah the one at the end (which plays during the flashbacks and citadel space magic cutscene) is titled "An End, Once and for All". The one you posted, which is played over the scene of the Normandy escaping Earth at the start of the game, is titled "Leaving Earth". They both use a recurring piano motif, which appears on a few other tracks as well.

If you bought the Digital Deluxe edition on Origin you'll have the Soundtrack sitting in your game folder. In .wav format too which is nice of BioWare :)
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Marius » 23 Mar 12, 12:17 am

That's their main appearance yes, but I specifically heard the "BLAAARGGH" reaper bit at the end over the piano, and the only track that occurs in is Leaving Earth.

It's played somewhere there...

But I only bought the standard edition, so if I want the soundtrack now I need to pay $100 all over again. :/
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby yiker » 13 Apr 12, 1:01 pm

Such an evocative piece of music. I'm guessing it's in a minor key with a few sus thrown in for lots of dissonance. Great for a funeral song, if you're into that...

Same song, played live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2gl8agl ... re=related

But, I want my life to be celebrated, and this is how I view the ending to the trilogy. Sometimes it's about the journey.. Yes, you made decisions and that's part of the journey. Every single one of these doesn't have to have their re(a)percussions explained. At least in my mind.

He said his goodbyes, united the galaxy, (got some funky blue luvin')and did some other stuff :2gunsfiring_v1:, and did more stuff that changed everything.

I'm against the majority, but I'm happy with the ending(s).
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Re: Dr Ray responds to ME3 endings

Unread postby Bato » 13 Apr 12, 3:20 pm

Marius wrote:From http://blog.bioware.com/

The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.



Just goes to show that reviewers pretty much only play the first 10 hours of a game....

I haven't played it myself (yet) but from what I gathered, the game is brilliant all the way to the last 10 minutes. Then it hits the windmill.
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