General BF3 Discussion

[Ralph Wiggum]

Even if you're wearing body armour, getting shot is still going to hurt pretty bad and I imagine you won't be running and fighting as efficiently. I mean if you get shot in the body in BF3, you still run around and play like normal, with only a black and white filter to indicate you're wounded.

I don't play HC, but I imagine HS = insta kill, whilst 2 bullets in the body will result in a death sounds pretty reasonable.

[-Slayer-]

Even if you're wearing body armour, getting shot is still going to hurt pretty bad and I imagine you won't be running and fighting as efficiently.

Fractured bruised and even broken ribs and not to mention getting the stuffing knocked out of you, it beats having a hole through you though, I'll take option 1 over 2 any day.

[Bronze_D]

Highly dependent as well on how well the body armor distributes the impact force.

Some body armor are much more efficient at this than others... ceramic plate inserts help as well of course.

There have been cases of soldiers being hit by 7.62mm warsaw pact round in torso on their armor and not realizing it until examination of their body armor revealed the bullets and the impact on the armor. (their adrenaline may also helped the case)

[bishopoz]

prob would'nt have been a direct hit from a 7.62 , more a richochet....

pretty sure no body armour will stop a direct hit from a 7.62 round , correct me if i'm mistaken...

i just remember watching a doco on body armour not long ago , and i thought i heard em say they still havnt figured how to stop a round that big..

[Bronze_D]

all level IV body armor can withstand direct hit from 7.62mm warsaw armor piercing round or western .30 cal armor piercing round at least once in a specific location.

most usually achieve this using ceramic plate insert designed to absorb the kinetic energy from the round.

some can withstand repeated hits allowing the body armor to be effective even after multiple rounds impacted the armor, while others may break after a single direct hit depending on design but in either case as long as the ceramic insert is there, no single assault rifle round can defeat it.

Modern body armor are fully capable of withstanding at least a single direct hit basically from any assault rifle munition in the world, hence why level III and IV protection body armor are subject to monitoring, they are essentially military grade body armor intended to defeat military rounds.

It's rare to be able to see this tests in video especially the military grade ones, but one of the commercially available body armor is dragonskin and they made a fairly public showcase a few years back where the armor is subjected to several hundred rounds of various munitions, ranging from sidearms (9mm, etc) all the way to assault rifles (7.62mm warsaw), and in one of the demonstration they made for discovery iirc, they GRENADED the armor and it withstood it... though realistically the subject would die from the blast even if it didn't penetrate.



dragonskin was subject to various debate and controversy with the military a while back.

[-Slayer-]

prob would'nt have been a direct hit from a 7.62 , more a richochet....

pretty sure no body armour will stop a direct hit from a 7.62 round , correct me if i'm mistaken...

You must have missed this post 7.62 armour piercing round.
viewtopic.php?p=2567313#p2567313

[Bronze_D]

actually that specific test didn't mention what round they used for the test..

and looking from the rounds on the table, it looked like Czech silver tip rounds... which iirc are mild steel core, not exactly armor piercing.

[-Slayer-]

actually that specific test didn't mention what round they used for the test..

and looking from the rounds on the table, it looked like Czech silver tip rounds... which iirc are mild steel core, not exactly armor piercing.

Read the edited version of the video at the start.

Grabbed a capture to save you the hassle.

[flex77]

lol here we go with the real life video's , testing and applications trying to compare it to a "game" like bf3

[Bronze_D]

Read the edited version of the video at the start.

Grabbed a capture to save you the hassle.

[ http://i.imgur.com/p2AO7.png ]

they said it's an armor piercing round but they didn't mention what round it was...

the reason i take 'armor piercing' label on publications with a grain of salt is that often anything with steel core is labelled as armor piercing in public media which is not actually true because while they usually have capacity to penetrate some degree of armor, a round intended for the task ie: armor piercing military classified rounds usually have sharp, hardened core specifically designed for it... and not just regular steel core which many military rounds use anyway.

from what's on the table aside of Czech silver tip round, i do see one black tipped round... or at least i think it looked like a black tipped round but they didn't mention what they actually used to fire at it.

[-Slayer-]

Read the edited version of the video at the start.

Grabbed a capture to save you the hassle.

[ http://i.imgur.com/p2AO7.png ]

they said it's an armor piercing round but they didn't mention what round it was...

The screen shot mentions what was used.

[Bronze_D]

they showed what rounds they had:

which from what i can see only 2 may be an actual armor piercing round... though i am not sure of it's marking, the second one looks like a black tipped round but the underlying color is difficult to see, while the first looks like armor piercing incendiary tracer round... assuming the video color is accurate.

the rest are not actual armor piercing rounds...

now here's the question, which one they used here?

it's probably not the API round because the impact didn't seems to show any sign of incendiary reaction, so that leaves only 1 'possible' armor piercing round in use from the ones shown on the table... (unless if that's an armor piercing incendiary rounds too, it's hard for me to make out the tip color from the video) except we don't know which round exactly they loaded into the rifle and fired to the vest.

[Dean]

lol here we go with the real life video's , testing and applications trying to compare it to a "game" like bf3

fair point, for what may kill me, may not kill you.


mildly off topic.

During a training session i saw a video from someone who designed a ballistic vest, his sales pitch was to put the vest on and shoot himself in the chest with a .357

[rcame26]

heh i gave up on jets, scout choppers are freaking epic, never really got the pilot seat in attack helicoptors but still loved carving up the competition into bloody chunks with the gunner seat weaponry

[The_Pharoah]

*cough* http://au.games.ign.com/articles/121/1218964p1.html *cough*