General BF3 Discussion

[Lumen Melano]

Despite what some say about sniping not having any skill.. you try hitting a moving target from one side of the map to the other (Wake Island, for example), and scoring a hit. It's **** disappointing that they just go "Oh, that stung, better get behind cover" and they're gone.

I agree compensating for the drop off and landing a hit on a sprinting target is absolutely amazing, and should be rewarded as such.

[Artful-dodgeR]

I think they want more 'player skill' involved, and having a fast damage drop off means you need to keep pushing the enemy in order to kill them. Its a surefire way to make pub players keep pushing points.

This is where BF3 takes liberty with realism. If you gave the assault rifles full damage over 400m like they deserve, then who in their right mind is going to start rushing points? The game suddenly becomes slow and tactical; things that pub players probably wouldn't like.

I say take battlefield 3 for what it is. I would prefer more visual and audio oomph for getting hit, and a larger penalty to your aim, but this game isn't designed for you, its designed for 64 people on the same server.

Seem, I'm fine with the design in normal mode. Where I'd like to see some realism is HC which REQUIRES a higher level of thought rather then "HERP DE DERP IMA SHOOT MAH GUN NOW".

[Disco LT]

^ +1 to the above, that was the whole point of HC.

[unspoken]

Despite what some say about sniping not having any skill.. you try hitting a moving target from one side of the map to the other (Wake Island, for example), and scoring a hit. It's **** disappointing that they just go "Oh, that stung, better get behind cover" and they're gone.

I disagree. Wake would become a sniper fest... even more than it is now.

I haven't played BF3 for a few weeks now, its getting boring. I only played Rush in BFBC2 but in BF3 rush doesn't seem as good.

HC mode needs more tweaking. I prefer HC but servers are usually empty in favour for Wake 24/7 (Worst map in BF3) and Metro 24/7 1bajillion tickets..

[Disco LT]

Wake is my favourite map actually.. but there SHOULD be an option for a more realistic* mode, which is what HC should be. Lower health, more damage from weapons, one hit kills from sniper rifles at range.

If you don't want one hit kills from snipers, you should stick to SC >.< No-one is ever going to agree (we all have our preferred play styles), but I think BC2 was much better balanced in regards to the difference between SC and HC.

I totally see what you're getting at with Rush though, I NEVER played conquest in BC2 and loved Rush, but I just don't bother in BF3. Weird. I still miss BC2, for a lot of reasons. BF3 is shiny, but it's just not as fun.

[unspoken]

The #1 thing I REALLY want fixed is hit detection!!!

[OZSlayer]

I'm happy the way its is, if I want real Id play Arma and that gets boring real quick, After all we play for fun. Getting the one shot kill in recon means the perfect head shot, not a shot in the foot like some other games. I see snipers now pinging away like mad and at the end of the game only have 3 kills. Why? not because of the engine or hit detection just because they suck.

If you hit the body then you have to be fast with the 2nd to score the kill. If it wasn't this way all we would have is 2 teams at each side of the map sniping.

Its a game not a simulation, in the real army there are plenty of soldiers who never get to fire at the enemy, most of the time even then its just suppressive, Snipers can sit in place for weeks just to take one shot. Now make a game like that and it will fail.

Here's a sneak preview of BF4

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[Disco LT]

So according to you, adding one hit kills for the upperbody/head for a sniper will make the game a sim? ... right. There is a big difference between BC2 HC and ARMA if you hadn't noticed. Thats meant to be the point of HC mode, so that if you wanted the arcade 6-7 bullets to kill someone experience, you could but it also gave other players a bit more serious option.

[OZSlayer]

You would be quite surprised how many bullets it takes to bring down a man wearing full body armour. I play hardcore and it is how the server admin sets up the server as there are a lot of changes that can be made. Most "HC" servers don't go all the way.

If you were a sniper in the SAS and you would only be taking head shots, if not you would not be in the SAS or a sniper in any unit. So really the BF3 works well to sort out the men from the boys. Good snipers don't have a problem getting one shot kills.

[Disco LT]

I can tell you exactly how many rounds it takes for an M82 to drop someone in full body armour..

As for the men from the boys comment, you do realize it's a video game right? It's not boot camp or selection There is a huge difference between realistic and arcade style, and inbetween is where HC mode should sit. At the moment there is no middle ground what so ever, and it's unfortunate for those of us that think it's ridiculous that it takes 7 or 8 rounds to drop someone.

[OZSlayer]

like I said before, HC is set by the server admins and any server that are set like you would like are always empty cause the majority cant hack it. when you get a sniper hiding in his deployment protected by the kill zone it get real annoying real fast and everyone leaves. Our pvt clan server is set up this way but anyone who snipes on the teams is always mobile as they play as a team. I'm sure if you ask Slayer he maybe able to set up a HC server to get what you are after. I would join in.

[Disco LT]

Yeah I do agree it is something that can be abused, we used to set a cap on how many snipers each time could have in my clans BF3 server, it was the only way we could manage it.

[-Slayer-]

Our HC servers are setup accordingly Bullet Damage 100% Soldier Health 60% anymore would be just crazy, it's bad enough now with the amount of snipers on one team who refuse to help out there team and just sit back padding there KDR with one shot kills anywhere on the soldier model.

One shot kills you can be hit in the foot and you die, (well I seem to die easily to a sniper from anywhere on the map) game is crazy enough, at least in BF2 you were awarded for accuracy a HS was a true HS and in the body almost killed them but you needed to shoot once more only to finish them off for the kill.

The snipers who want one shot kills sound like to me they are just the sit back KDR stats players who want to go for an easy ride in a game, this game is a fast paced game now and I don't think there is that much room for 60% of one team being snipers sitting back doing bugger all imo.

With this Normal mode and Hardcore mode you will never get people to agree so why even go on about it, it's a follow on from BC2 and we just need to except it that it doesn't follow the true BF2 game not even close, even though in BF2 it was just a war game with no hardcore mode you just played an awesome game that it was and it worked, Dice have tried to just make BF3 too fancy to cover up stuff they left out.

Maybe Dice should also be just concentrating on fixing some of the big bugs instead of screwing around with .03% more killing power with a bullet and fix other stuff first.

[The_Pharoah]

ahh...I love reading all this healthy discussion...*grabs popcorn and pulls up a chair*

[Uzi]

if it aint a heatshot it aint a kill
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