Gay Marriage

[DXPetti]

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Shiite, Hindu, the list goes on. The religion is not the problem. It's the actions of a few under the name of the god/s that's the problem.

well put

[Wyld]

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Shiite, Hindu, the list goes on. The religion is not the problem. It's the actions of a few under the name of the god/s that's the problem.

well put

At 23% saying "No" in this little poll, I would say it's more than a few.

[André Axe'm]

But those few have influence over the people who participated in the vote.

[DXPetti]

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Shiite, Hindu, the list goes on. The religion is not the problem. It's the actions of a few under the name of the god/s that's the problem.

well put

At 23% saying "No" in this little poll, I would say it's more than a few.

You don't even know their reasons and are condemning them? (sure, there probably isn't a good reason to be opposed to it but that’s another whole conundrum)

[Wyld]

You don't even know their reasons and are condemning them? (sure, there probably isn't a good reason to be opposed to it but that’s another whole conundrum)

And it's that conundrum *which is* the point.

I am still waiting for a rational and relevant reason to say no.

And yet, 23% of people say as such.

If I had an issue with women, should my voice that they not be allowed to vote be considered?

If I had an issue with Aboriginals, should my voice that they not be allowed equal rights be considered?

At some point in time, we are going to be past this discrimination. I seriously do wonder, will this be the generation when it occurs?

[DarkMellie]

If I had an issue with women, should my voice that they not be allowed to vote be considered?

If I had an issue with Aboriginals, should my voice that they not be allowed equal rights be considered?

There's the thread folks, thanks for comin'!

[DXPetti]

I am still waiting for a rational and relevant reason to say no.

What's that old chestnut? "Truth is merely a commonly accepted perspective"

Rational by who's standards?

If you haven't already guessed, just playing devils advocate

I'll try to use smaller words from now on?

Please, this is the internet after all. You gotta know your demographic dawg

[Omni]

Perhaps you identify as a Christian but are not truly Catholic?

That is not a reasonable comment to make. That is an example of a "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

[Disco LT]

great statement by her, good support.

Disco, i'm glad to see that you are open enough to the discussion to consider the issue, that is the kind of thinking that I like. I have people disagree with my opinions and beliefs and that is fine but the only thing I like to see is that they are disagreeing with me after having through about the issue, listened to the discussion, not just outright disagreeing based on complete and utter belief of the wrongness of the issue, often those black and white situations are never actually that way.

talking is best way to get point across, shouting or shutting down doesn't often help too much.

great thread, good discussion!

Thanks Drakand, I'm not a total red neck after all. That's the best thing about a good discussion, looking at things from other peoples perspectives and thinking about things in a way you don't normally. Back on topic though..

So as I’ve said before in this thread, I’ve been thinking about this issue quite a lot, talking to people about it and what it’s really come down to is this question “Do I have sound reason for being against gay marriage?”, and the answer is no.

It’s kind of left me on a bit of a ledge. I do instinctively feel that gay marriage is wrong and unacceptable for no reason, yet I’m perfectly accepting of the fact that my friends are gay and don’t hold anything against them for the way they lead their lives. It doesn’t affect me, so why am I against it? I don’t know.

Don’t get too excited, but I’m ok to admit that maybe I was wrong and ignorant, but after some thinking, and reading I’ve changed my stance. Ultimately people deserve to be happy, and they deserve the same rights as anyone else.. so if I were able to vote again, I think I’d be voting a different way.

>.>

[DXPetti]

Discostaya, we are a product of our environment. The fact that you are honest about your feelings and are open to ideas beyond your scope of thought pattern is a good indication your parents raised you well

[Tas]

People stand behind ideas of religion to justify sickening actions. It's the individuals and followers who use this that are the problem and not the religion.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Shiite, Hindu, the list goes on. The religion is not the problem. It's the actions of a few under the name of the god/s that's the problem.

Can we as a 'free' society find a way to separate what is right and just and humanist and logical from that of 'wise' prophets?

It's not a gay issue, it's a 'choice' issue and it has a wide impact for all people.

Why is Science under attack? Why do people think we've not been to the moon?

Remove the religion, an you remove the problem (over time)

[MaddMoose]

If I had an issue with women, should my voice that they not be allowed to vote be considered?

If I had an issue with Aboriginals, should my voice that they not be allowed equal rights be considered?

Considered sure, accepted not neccesarily (for those two examples that would be a no).

[skitzor]

Remove the religion, an you remove the problem (over time)

sorry, but I doubt that will happen.

sure, religion sort of facilitates some people. but some people are just **** idiots, they don't need religion to be idiots, they just use it to enhance and justify their idiocy.

people that say women deserved to be raped and are pieces of meat would still be **** horrible people if it wasn't for religion. they probably wouldn't be horrible people in the same way, but the personality fault is still there.

[Onyx]

I'm not sure where I stand on this (somewhere in the grey area), but it always seems to me that if you have an opinion that disagrees with the left wing, you are branded a bigot, a racist or a homophobe. This of course, makes you seem like a **** and any valid/interesting/relevant points you raise become invalid because you're such a narrow minded ****. It's pretty convenient for people who are arguing against them...

Wyld, I don't think it will be this generation or many more to come that will accept gay as normal. In fact, I don't think it will ever happen. "Gay is wrong" is too deeply instilled in the world's collective culture for it to just disappear. People are always going to oppose gay unions due to religion and personal beliefs. As long as these things exist, it will never be ok.

Just to clarify, I believe that people have a right to make their own choices, but I (or anyone) don't have to agree or be comfortable with it. I have the same right to my opinion as all of you who disagree with me. (Just to clarify further, that's a general statement, and not necessarily related to this thread)

And on that note, I think that this thread should be locked because it's going absolutely nowhere and will not solve the worlds homophobic problems or provide any real insight. It will only cause debate that leads nowhere and arguments.