Telcos volunteer to help police piracy

[PalZer0]

I can also see an issue with unauthorised Wi-Fi usage (you can't completely secure a Wi-Fi network). Someone could just download pirated stuff through your connection and frame you for it as it was coming from your IP address.

At the end of the day, it's pretty much an example of why the Occupy people are protesting - copyright owners (the 1%) heavily influencing policy for the rest of us (the 99%)

Not to mention that sometimes the only way to get certain content (such as "The Human Centipede 2" - a film that was just banned in Australia) is by torrent.

Also, the copyright holder and the creator of said copyrighted content are 99% of the time two totally different entities which makes things even muddier.

[Sniper 2]

But won't your PC's be confiscated and used for evidence if/when you go to trial. Pretty hard to argue stolen Wifi when you have 600 movies on your HDD>

[Tydus]

Internodians should take advantage of the free access to the Astraweb Usenet servers which offer ssl encryption and much-faster-then-torrent speeds. Speed and saftey.

[Tas]

I think we all know this was coming, the government has been out to control the net more for a few years now. As well as those wakjobs from the christian coalition who wanted a stake in the new censorship laws due to hit us. The fact they wanna stop us Downloading movies etc isn't that bigger surprise. There are ways to get our movies an games, **** the fruitcakes an all those they use to tell us "we know whats best for you"...

We shouldn't be cornered into paying 3x the value of a movie that everyone els pays, or a game for that matter. All this **** does is try to force us into buying things for over inflated prices.

If you think about it (asn no this has nothing to do with "big brother" once an IF they ever managed to lock down the net's torrent access they can then restrict, an ban anything they want for any reason they want, siting "it's for your own good"...

Aside from all this ****, good luck ever sueing me, being on pension means I only have to pay by law 5$ a week in any legal issue.

[Dr Tia]

courts will be very busy

[Dr Tia]

does Internode store every downloaded file from every dynamic address they have ever issued? wtf then they would be steam

[hellbender]

I am amazed at how people are blowing up over this. Its simple, this proposed system is MUCH better than what we have now, those who say otherwise are just ignorant.

Under the proposed system, people can download content without fear of sudden infringement fines. When/If they are detected by movie rights groups etc, they will only get a warning from their ISP, no private information has been exchanged. This allows people to try various methods to avoid detection. If you are still getting notices of infringement then it might be best to lay low for a while (a year lol) or change ISP's (they do not share information). It now means people do not have to worry about suddenly getting a letter in the mail saying you owe copyright owner $xx,xxx for infringement.

This new system helps people avoid fines, but punishes those who are intentionally/repeatedly infringing and are too stupid to avoid getting caught or pushed their luck too far. It almost encourages people to try it and see if they get caught, then stop if they get a warning.

I sure hope iiNet win their trial...

[MaddMoose]

At the end of the day, it's pretty much an example of why the Occupy people are protesting - copyright owners (the 1%) heavily influencing policy for the rest of us (the 99%)

Welcome to the new throwaway line to try and stifle debate.

[hellbender]

does Internode store every downloaded file from every dynamic address they have ever issued? wtf then they would be steam

I highly doubt it. I really have no idea what they do, but i would guess they might keep a log of all the IP addresses you have made connections with. No idea how long they would keep it either.

Admin Edit - lee.: Removed reference to deleted post.

[Chucky]

Internodians should take advantage of the free access to the Astraweb Usenet servers which offer ssl encryption and much-faster-then-torrent speeds. Speed and saftey.

Pretty sure Node does not offer SSL access with their Usenet offer.

Admin Edit - lee.: Removed reference to deleted post.

[peber]

Not unexpected considering as I say the ISP's were on the side of the users, the movie groups were always going to reject it.

The proposal indicated that the movie groups would actually have to compensate ISPs for handling the notices, etc... no wonder they rejected it, it would render their extortion racket nonviable.

I can also see an issue with unauthorised Wi-Fi usage (you can't completely secure a Wi-Fi network). Someone could just download pirated stuff through your connection and frame you for it as it was coming from your IP address.

Plenty of people have proposed this "defense", yet there doesn't seem to be evidence anyone has tried it.
Do you really want to be the first person to try this in court? Most people can't afford the legal costs of a basic trial, much less one which sets a precedent.
The whole "Someone else (housemate, random wifi, etc) used my connection" argument is very thin to begin with. I doubt it would fly.

[Chucky]

The proposal indicated that the movie groups would actually have to compensate ISPs for handling the notices, etc

..and so they should. I mean you don't want your monthly broadband costs increasing because of this? so who else was going to reimburse the ISP's for doing all of the leg work day in and day out.

If the movie companies think they can get the ISP's to do all of the work for free while the movie companies reap the rewards I think they will sadly be mistaken.

[Nekosan]

Internodians should take advantage of the free access to the Astraweb Usenet servers which offer ssl encryption and much-faster-then-torrent speeds. Speed and saftey.

I've always wondered how that's any better than torrents, you still don't know who you're actually downloading from or who they're giving that information to.

[Mekon]

Internodians should take advantage of the free access to the Astraweb Usenet servers which offer ssl encryption and much-faster-then-torrent speeds. Speed and saftey.

I've always wondered how that's any better than torrents, you still don't know who you're actually downloading from or who they're giving that information to.

Sure you do. You're downloading from the Internode's usenet mirrors, specifically: news.internode.on.net (as for who they are giving it to, it doesn't really matter - you're screwed no matter what you do).

It's nothing like torrents - the whole point of usenet is that it's a propagating set of mirrors. Stuff added to the central repository gets replicated to all the other servers (originally at fairly long intervals, but these days much faster).

[Tydus]

Internodians should take advantage of the free access to the Astraweb Usenet servers which offer ssl encryption and much-faster-then-torrent speeds. Speed and saftey.

I've always wondered how that's any better than torrents, you still don't know who you're actually downloading from or who they're giving that information to.

Sure you do. You're downloading from the Internode's usenet mirrors, specifically: news.internode.on.net (as for who they are giving it to, it doesn't really matter - you're screwed no matter what you do).

It's nothing like torrents - the whole point of usenet is that it's a propagating set of mirrors. Stuff added to the central repository gets replicated to all the other servers (originally at fairly long intervals, but these days much faster).

I don't know much on this subject, so i could be way off base, but im pretty sure mekons right. I was under the impression that the access was through Astraweb news servers, which grant free membership to internode ip blocks. I know that Astraweb offer ssl connections, but im not sure if having to access astraweb through internode might not allow this, I personally havent bothered with it.
I thought that to get suspicion of piracy through torrents, they simply uploaded their only pirated torrent and tracked the ip's of people that download off their client, find out who owns the ip and report to their isp.

This however would not be possible with usenet, as you are downloading directly off of a private business's server which should be keeping this information private, same with the downloading of the .nzb off a respected website. Without being able to acquire this small piece off evidence i cant see how they could request anything from internode and with SSL im not sure how much internode could really tell them, as their are plenty of legitimate binaries available of these usenet servers. As i said though, i could be wrong on this, havent really given it much research or thought.

edit: wrote it a little better.