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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Shinanigans » 27 Oct 11, 4:19 am

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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby steve_rogers42 » 27 Oct 11, 4:34 am

yea slated to release on bulldozer day, lol.

but looks to be worth it.

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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby FrAUdie » 1 Nov 11, 9:45 am

So what 24" monitors do people currently recommend for gaming/movies?

I see the new Sammy series is out but is it worth the extra cash?
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Artful-dodgeR » 8 Nov 11, 7:06 pm

Tentative build:
Corsair Hydro Series H60 CPU Cooler - $99.00
Intel Core i5 2500K - $229.00
ASUS P8Z68-V Motherboard B3 - $195.00 (the Asrock suggested is having USB3.0 issues)
Corsair HX-650 PSU - $139.00 (Should I be going the 750 instead? It's only $30...)
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Hawk 1GB - $289.00 (Highest factory clock @ 950MHz core clock, 4200MHz memory clock).


Seems alright? Should I be going the -V Pro instead? Difference SATA controller + 2 extra SATA... considering I've already got 3 x hdds + 1 ssd + 1 dvd drive, maybe I should?
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Shinanigans » 8 Nov 11, 7:39 pm

Corsair TX-650M Modular PSU

Sigh @ Corsair. Why make a modular TX series PSU? That was the main differentiator between the HX and TX series.
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Artful-dodgeR » 8 Nov 11, 7:55 pm

Shinanigans wrote:
Corsair TX-650M Modular PSU

Sigh @ Corsair. Why make a modular TX series PSU? That was the main differentiator between the HX and TX series.


What would you recommend instead then?

>_> Meant to put HX, my bad.
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby skitzor » 11 Nov 11, 10:28 pm

I must be the only one that prefers the sound of xfi cards over xonar cards for music. with cmss and crystaliser set up properly, the soundstage is much better and the sounds are much clearer.

recently bought the d2x because there's so many positive reviews (and I was having a few issues with my card, and thought I might as well just replace it) and I had to take it out because I couldn't stand the drop in quality. now I have a $200 card sitting here doing nothing.
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Bek » 16 Nov 11, 3:56 pm

whyyyyyyy why why would you use cmss for music?
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby skitzor » 16 Nov 11, 4:08 pm

Bek wrote:whyyyyyyy why why would you use cmss for music?

ever tried it?

put it on the surround setting (not xpand) and balance it correctly.
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Artful-dodgeR » 16 Nov 11, 4:12 pm

Bek wrote:whyyyyyyy why why would you use cmss for music?


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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Bek » 16 Nov 11, 4:41 pm

skitzor wrote:ever tried it?
put it on the surround setting (not xpand) and balance it correctly.

Yeah I've tried it, and because it's simulating surround it completely ruins the channel separation for music, so if there are dedicated instruments for left or right channel then you're not getting that sound separation. It also seems to ruin the bass a little, makes everything a little more tinny. It's awesome for gaming though. I don't use the crystaliser either, that's just a personal preference though.
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby skitzor » 16 Nov 11, 4:50 pm

Bek wrote:Yeah I've tried it, and because it's simulating surround it completely ruins the channel separation for music, so if there are dedicated instruments for left or right channel then you're not getting that sound separation. It also seems to ruin the bass a little, makes everything a little more tinny. It's awesome for gaming though. I don't use the crystaliser either, that's just a personal preference though.

just did a little test with a song I have that has a segment with different audio for L and R channels, and the CMSS doesn't screw it up (song is dog days are over by florence and the machine). each channel has distinct sounds, and it just sounds like it duplicates front left to rear left and same with right. I also feel it does something else to make the sound more lively.

ASUS's corresponding technology is no where near the quality of CMSS and I like what the crystaliser does to music. I find it weird my thoughts aren't echoed in other places, the sound difference was quite large.
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Bek » 16 Nov 11, 5:03 pm

Possibly depends on the type of music you listen to, the card and headphones. I tried it with on with For Victory or Death by Amon Amarth and it made it sound horrible, really distant/tinny. My card is an Auzen Bravura, headphones are at a700's. Trying to find some songs I have with clear channel mixing..

edit: Start of Angel of Death by Slayer is a good example, with CMSS-3d on it (subtly) mixes the two channels - not equally so as to completely ruin the mixing, but it is noticeable. Plus the general drop is audio quality for me is terrible, it seriously sound ****. Crystalliser on the other hand is alright, but doesn't make that huge of a difference really.

edit2: Actually googling around has some interesting stuff: (Hidden for those that don't care)
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astrallite wrote:Your question is an interesting one, and I will try to tackle that based on an "objective" standpoint from physics theory, since there is no commonly agreed with characteristics of "better."

If music is recorded in 2-channel format--what are talking about if the source you are playing is 2-channel, and specifically 2-channel--then it would be optimal to play it back in a 2-channel format. It has discrete channel information for left and right channels. The complex sum of this output will help you get an idea where the individual instruments, and soundstage is.

Playing it back from a matrixing system (where left and right channels are collapsed to the center and transients are thrown to the rear) would mean:

a) you've lost some stereo seperation. The center channel is playing back the a sum of the left and right channels. If there was an original center "pointsource" from the sum of left and right channels, an additional "pointsource" has been thrown into the mix and the combined effect is ambiguous. There might be an equilibrium condition where if you were perfectly lined up, a single pointsource might present itself. But much more likely, you are sitting somewhere closer between two channels (center and left, or center and right), and further from another pair. Under any of these conditions, instrumental location and 3D soundstage will present two, perhaps even three identical pointsources when the original stereo sum was only 1.

b) Very arbitrary use of transients from the front soundstage that are just played back in the rears. Some muddying of instrumental location will invariably happen. Things that happen in the rear soundfield would usually be delayed from your ears as they reach the back of the room and reflect back to your ears. Now you have a doubly effect of direct and first reflections, which would have an ambiguous effect.

c) Any music that was not recorded specific channel dominant (some recordings don't have a center sound stage, but have vocals dominant in one channel, such as Coldplay's X&Y which is explicitly left-channel dominant) are now center channel dominant. This might sound *strange* to your ears. Also, if they *were* specific channel dominant to begin with, CMSS's front soundstage collapse into the center would be *very* strange, because this would doubly focus the vocals on one side of the front soundstage.

I'm sure there are a lot more specific issues but I can't think of any right now. But music is subjective, regardless of the physical output. If you enjoy it, don't listen to what others say.


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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Instinx » 16 Nov 11, 5:30 pm

Asus's corresponding technology? You mean Dolby? :D

Music sounds good with the 7.1 shifter (Probably an updated version due to unofficial xonar unified drivers), but honestly when you have ASIO, why use anything else :P

Sound is so subjective, its just the way it is. You enjoy the music like that, then enjoy the music. I apply the same rule when using a 'nade launcher in CoD :P
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Re: Uber Value Computer Thread - 2011 - BF3rd Quarter Beta

Unread postby Slazza » 17 Nov 11, 10:51 am

Time to upgrade from the old Q6600.

Thinking..
i7-2600k for $325 or the i5-2500k for $217 (Is the i7-2600k worth the extra $108?)
GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 - $165.00
G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM - $69

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