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Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby orton03 » 3 Mar 11, 10:13 pm

Anyone here have any experience with photography? I'm looking to get into a bit of Photography. Any ideas for a solid entry level SLR camera? I'm new to this sorta stuff so any help would be much appreciated :). Price around 500-800 sounds good can do more if its worth it though.
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby TheScientist » 3 Mar 11, 10:35 pm

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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby tryonthis » 3 Mar 11, 11:57 pm

I have the Pentax K-r, which I highly recommend. Do a quick google search for reviews on it or just read user comments here:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... ?t=1560909

Otherwise, you can always suss out:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/132?g=164&p=2
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby emllik » 4 Mar 11, 12:45 am

Best options around at the moment IMO:

Pentax K-x - If you can still find one people have managed to get them for well under $500. Lacks AF indicators in viewfinder and has a pretty terrible LCD.

Pentax K-r - Current version of the above. More expensive but fixes AF indicators and LCD. Also does both a proprietary lithium and AA batteries.

Nikon D90 - More expensive but it's a step up in features giving you things like top LCD, dual control wheels, more dedicated buttons, etc.

Ideally if you think it's going to turn into a long term thing you will sink some money into, you'd work out what lenses you want and buy a body based on that. Though this is easier said than done...
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby steve_rogers42 » 4 Mar 11, 12:37 pm

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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby Nemesis_22 » 4 Mar 11, 2:44 pm

If its your first SLR, you have got to consider the following options.

1. Are you going to be taking a course in SLR photography?

2. Do you want something you can use right away, or something more difficult that you will learn more with over time? Is this something you want to one day seriously expand upon?

3. Is size a factor?

4. What sort of lenses are you after? This is an important one. You can get short range lenses, with good wide angle, or you can get twin lens kits that will give you the short range lens mentioned and a long range lens for distant shots, or you can get an in between lens to cover both, while costing much more. Its a tricky one.

I don't have much hands on experience with Pentax, so, I don't feel comfortable making a comment on them. However, in regards to other brands, I do feel very confident, so I'll weigh in.

In terms of Sony, the camera's do perform well, but suffer from two issues that detract their attractiveness. One, they tend to be gimmick laden - usually hiding beneath the mask of 'innovative'. Two, they have an expensive lens catalog. They have a range of SLT models, similar to a traditional SLR except with a faster frame rate (subverted because they don't have a fast enough focus motor to keep up) and an electronic viewfinder. They do admittedly make a good camera bang for buck wise, but I don't think you'll get enough out of them if you are thinking longer term.

Moving on then, to the big two. Nikon and Canon. I use Nikon myself, so I tend to be a little biased, but the truth be told, both brands make an excellent camera. Reading the entry level, the two models that are true entry level at the moment for each brand are the Nikon D3100 and the Canon 500D, mentioned above.

Between the two, each one has a good feel, both have HD movie if you are into that sort of thing. The 500D has a larger pixel count, but also a higher pixel density and a smaller sensor (marginally, but higher pixel density does detract away from range of ISO sensitivity). Both are an excellent camera, and the lens range of Canon is sensational, with great pricing, but I'm going to recommend in your case the D3100.

The reason for that goes back to your earlier comment, that this is your first SLR. The 500D is a fantastic camera, but it lacks something that the D3100 has. Looking at a 500D you will see an array of buttons, but, and this is the crucial part, no way to figure out what they mean short of consulting an expert or the internet.

With the D3100 you have two assists to this. One is the guide mode, located on the shooting mode wheel at the top. It will simplify your shooting for you, allowing you to choose what you are shooting via the screen on the back - For example, you choose 'Simple Mode' on the back, then 'Portrait at Night' or something similar from the wide range of options, and the camera changes its settings to get, as it sees it, the best possible shot in the conditions you've selected. In your case, this basically means faster shooting, less messing around.

The second assist is the help button on the back. Its a question mark symbol that, when pressed while you have any of the menu and settings options lit up on the back screen, will place an explanation of what exactly this setting is and what it can do. Canon do not have this. It is, basically, like having an assistance manual with you when you go shooting.

Now, this camera may sound like a camera for dummies, but don't be fooled. As you learn more, you can forget these two options more and more, and this camera will do everything that the Canon SLR will do as well, and maybe even a few extras. It isn't dumbed down, missing certain features, it just has a few on there to explain things better.

It does, however, have two detractions. One, is a lack of a secondary LCD screen on the top for settings adjustment. The other is that it has no autofocus when using particularly old film lenses. While these make a difference to me, they shouldn't make one to you, however.

One other issue is price. Finding it locally and not a grey import for less than $800 is going to be horrendously difficult. However, I'd recommend getting a local one. Not only does it keep money in Oz, it means you'll get warranty support as well. A grey import will not, unless it goes back to where you purchased it, and even then, it will have to be sent overseas.

Anyway, hope this helps. Post more questions as you get em, I've been doing this a while now, and should be able to answer them.
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby MuscularTeeth » 11 Apr 11, 3:01 pm

i just got me a sony A55 and im in love with it.
my friend has a canon 7d and thats truly insane if you can afford it.
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby BorisBC » 20 Apr 11, 1:11 pm

Hey Nem, maybe we should sticky this one? Seems this Q comes up every few weeks or so. :)
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby Nemesis_22 » 20 Apr 11, 10:58 pm

Heh, if you want, I can probably do a pro's and con's on every DSLR on the market at the moment. Well, the ones I've used anyway, getting hold of demo's is a touch harder these days with the market slow down - its getting utterly ruined by the grey import flooding.
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby TheScientist » 5 May 11, 8:02 pm

how about a little above entry level? say $1500ish price range.

I'm looking because my parents are getting me a camera for my graduation/last two birthdays/last christmas present.

I've a reasonable amount of experience with SLR's but not digital ones. I've done a fair bit of fully manual photography in both colour and black and white (including my own b&w developing) but am really just an amateur still, but I'd rather get something I can grow into a bit, if that makes sense...

Am generally a fan of Pentax and Canon, as the old SLR I used was pentax, and I've had good experience/know my way around canon point and shoot digitals.
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby Mugsy » 5 May 11, 8:33 pm

TheScientist wrote:I've a reasonable amount of experience with SLR's but not digital ones. I've done a fair bit of fully manual photography in both colour and black and white (including my own b&w developing) but am really just an amateur still, but I'd rather get something I can grow into a bit, if that makes sense...

I take it that if you've got a bit of experience with manual photography, you may have had the chance to play with different lenses (most definitely a 50mm prime but possibly ultra wides, telephoto, and macro lenses too) or am planning to build a lens collection to cater for the different types of photography you're interested in.

If so, consider looking into the lens system for each brand first before deciding on the body. Canon definitely has the most extensive lens selection but many people complain about the their lower end models being uncomfortable to hold (I've never found this and I shoot with an old 350D). You'll want want to find that sweet spot with a brand that has bodies you feel comfortable holding but has a lens system that will not limit your growth. Heading to a camera store and holding a few cameras, maybe even try looking through the camera menus, will help you make your decision.
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby TheScientist » 6 May 11, 12:31 am

all but the macro :) and that would be one of the first on my list of upgrades

thanks for the advice (and sorry to OP for threadjacking... figured we didn't need another one like this), going to a camera shop really is probably my best bet... now to find the time...
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Re: Entry level DSLR Camera

Unread postby Mugsy » 6 Nov 11, 5:53 pm

Nemesis_22 wrote:I'm going to recommend in your case the D3100.

One other issue is price. Finding it locally and not a grey import for less than $800 is going to be horrendously difficult.

This post by Nem is still quite valid. The D3100 is still quite a competent camera.

Had a mate want to get a DSLR for his honeymoon and also as a potential future hobby to get into with his wife (she was the one who wanted a DSLR I believe). Recommended the D3100 with the 18-105 VR lens. He got it with extra warranty for $980 I believe which is a remarkable feat considering Nikon prices aren't low because their factory is still recovering from natural disasters.
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