Sequel to Top Fallout 3 Mod Arrives for New Vegas

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As the faithful know, our mirror is just bristling with files waiting to enhance your PC gaming experience. One of the latest to arrive is the followup to among the higest-rated of all Fallout 3 mods, and like its precursor, will alter your [app=5894]Fallout: New Vegas[/app] experience in surprisingly effective ways.

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[LeX]

Sounds good, pity i got the PS3 version.

[jambo]

Best thing about it is it adds more living plants and grass. Makes the world a bit more realistic and vibrant.

[Marius]

I prefer the URWL Realstic Lighting mods over Fellout, as these give much more control over the end effect.

[Marius]

The classic fallouts weren't particularly difficult...

[JackAttack]

Yeh true Marius, just get 3-4 Companions and gear em up with half decent rifles and shotguns and you can take on most anything.

[coatsy22]

Why on earth would you want the game to look more grittier. Its already at silly proportions.

Theres utterly no reason given why the whole place is even rubble, since it was never nuked.

With the exception of the bandit towns, the actual towns in fallout 1/2 werent falling appart at the seams but rather just looked at bit rustic.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't still rubble piles, but look like any other city 70 years on. Its beyond belief that 204 years after the apocalypse, people havent spent 2 minutes dragging all the poop out of their houses.

Any mod which makes things look worse is just absurd.

[TRB]

Theres utterly no reason given why the whole place is even rubble, since it was never nuked.

Because the shit-box buildings that pass as quality these days disintegrate if they aren't maintained every 4 and a half minutes?

seriously, how do you expect you house to look in 204 years with no notable maintenance?

how will you paint it to stop the outside turning to ****?
new roof tiles? where from?
new carpet?
cement? do you even know how to make cement from raw materials? what raw materials do you use?
timber for framing? much of that in a desert is there?

you do know that hardware shops aren't magically restocked each night by elves and fairies, right?

in fallout NV the houses that are lived in look much as I would expect, better sometimes.


I'm sure if I asked you where your water comes from you'd say "the tap".

[Ezelek]

Theres utterly no reason given why the whole place is even rubble, since it was never nuked.

Yes, it was. Seven nukes still got through to the city and the surrounding areas.

[coatsy22]

Theres utterly no reason given why the whole place is even rubble, since it was never nuked.

Because the poop-box buildings that pass as quality these days disintegrate if they aren't maintained every 4 and a half minutes?

seriously, how do you expect you house to look in 204 years with no notable maintenance?

I'm sorry, i didn't realise everyone in the entire world was suposed to have magically appeared the day before the game started.

Half the characters in the game have been living in their houses for their entire lives - unless they are muppets they would have been doing maintenance.

how will you paint it to stop the outside turning to poop?

There are these things called bricks which dont need painting. people have been making them for maybe 10,000 years.

new roof tiles? where from?

Make them. These people have had decades. It's not that hard.

new carpet?

Why would you need carpet? Theyre living in collapsed houses - id say carpet is a luxury at this point, and hardly an excuse to continue living in a rubble pile.

cement? do you even know how to make cement from raw materials? what raw materials do you use?

Yes, being an Engineer.

Firstly, cement is the name of the binding agent which you mix with other materials to end up with the building material refered to as "concrete" or joiner material called "mortar". I'm guessing you meant concrete.

Secondly, its not just one material type - there are hundreds of different types of concrete that have been used throughout history.

The most common modern concrete is made from "Portland cement" mixed with an aggregate (usually gravel and sand) and water. Portland cement is pretty finicky to make however, since it is a hydraulic cement (sets due to a chemical reaction independent of how much water there is - ie it doesnt set by 'drying') and needs to be made in specific ratios.

Realistically, you would start with mud (clay) bricks and just air-dry them if you were set on a brick style house, rather than wood.

timber for framing? much of that in a desert is there?

Firstly, if theres no trees, theres probably gonna be no food so you wouldnt be there in the first place.

If you used clay bricks as above, you wouldnt need a wooden frame.

you do know that hardware shops aren't magically restocked each night by elves and fairies, right?

You are aware that people actually make tools?

in fallout NV the houses that are lived in look much as I would expect, better sometimes.

Your house would look like this, would it? Like this guy you wouldnt even push the rubble off your own bed, whether or not push all the rubbish outside?


Considering in the first fallout game, people had built proper towns (ie shady sands) and that was set 120 years earlier, for everyone to still be living in rubble in New Vegas IS rediculous.

Just because you obviously don't have a clue how to build any sort of shelter, doesnt mean that most people on the planet couldn't figure it out in their entire lifespan, since this isnt set just after the apocalypse, but hundreds of years later.

[Toby McCasker]

Theres utterly no reason given why the whole place is even rubble, since it was never nuked.

Because the poop-box buildings that pass as quality these days disintegrate if they aren't maintained every 4 and a half minutes?

seriously, how do you expect you house to look in 204 years with no notable maintenance?

I'm sorry, i didn't realise everyone in the entire world was suposed to have magically appeared the day before the game started.

Half the characters in the game have been living in their houses for their entire lives - unless they are muppets they would have been doing maintenance.

how will you paint it to stop the outside turning to poop?

There are these things called bricks which dont need painting. people have been making them for maybe 10,000 years.

new roof tiles? where from?

Make them. These people have had decades. It's not that hard.

new carpet?

Why would you need carpet? Theyre living in collapsed houses - id say carpet is a luxury at this point, and hardly an excuse to continue living in a rubble pile.

cement? do you even know how to make cement from raw materials? what raw materials do you use?

Yes, being an Engineer.

Firstly, cement is the name of the binding agent which you mix with other materials to end up with the building material refered to as "concrete" or joiner material called "mortar". I'm guessing you meant concrete.

Secondly, its not just one material type - there are hundreds of different types of concrete that have been used throughout history.

The most common modern concrete is made from "Portland cement" mixed with an aggregate (usually gravel and sand) and water. Portland cement is pretty finicky to make however, since it is a hydraulic cement (sets due to a chemical reaction independent of how much water there is - ie it doesnt set by 'drying') and needs to be made in specific ratios.

Realistically, you would start with mud (clay) bricks and just air-dry them if you were set on a brick style house, rather than wood.

timber for framing? much of that in a desert is there?

Firstly, if theres no trees, theres probably gonna be no food so you wouldnt be there in the first place.

If you used clay bricks as above, you wouldnt need a wooden frame.

you do know that hardware shops aren't magically restocked each night by elves and fairies, right?

You are aware that people actually make tools?

in fallout NV the houses that are lived in look much as I would expect, better sometimes.

Your house would look like this, would it? Like this guy you wouldnt even push the rubble off your own bed, whether or not push all the rubbish outside?


Considering in the first fallout game, people had built proper towns (ie shady sands) and that was set 120 years earlier, for everyone to still be living in rubble in New Vegas IS rediculous.

Just because you obviously don't have a clue how to build any sort of shelter, doesnt mean that most people on the planet couldn't figure it out in their entire lifespan, since this isnt set just after the apocalypse, but hundreds of years later.

Either the most knowledgeable troll post known to the internet, or the most needlessly pedantic.

Either way, I slouch in awe

[Marius]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't still rubble piles, but look like any other city 70 years on. Its beyond belief that 204 years after the apocalypse, people havent spent 2 minutes dragging all the poop out of their houses.

Those two cities also have a stable government and active police force to stop wars and riots, which very quickly reduce any city to rubble.

Many resources - concrete, tech, water and power, are in the game, but are all being diverted to the few well off and the NCR war machine, while the poor huddle to protect themselves from gangs in the absence of a strong government.

The rubble in Fallout is not from the bombs 200 years ago. It's from constant gang warfare. The entire storyline is based around this in the multiple warring factions you can choose to aid.

Fallout 1 and 2 never really had this. They mostly focused on the super mutants with bandits on the size. In Vegas, bandits are the main players, and it has hurt the area.

[TRB]

Theres utterly no reason given why the whole place is even rubble, since it was never nuked.

Because the poop-box buildings that pass as quality these days disintegrate if they aren't maintained every 4 and a half minutes?

seriously, how do you expect you house to look in 204 years with no notable maintenance?

I'm sorry, i didn't realise everyone in the entire world was suposed to have magically appeared the day before the game started.

Half the characters in the game have been living in their houses for their entire lives - unless they are muppets they would have been doing maintenance.

how will you paint it to stop the outside turning to poop?

There are these things called bricks which dont need painting. people have been making them for maybe 10,000 years.

new roof tiles? where from?

Make them. These people have had decades. It's not that hard.

new carpet?

Why would you need carpet? Theyre living in collapsed houses - id say carpet is a luxury at this point, and hardly an excuse to continue living in a rubble pile.

cement? do you even know how to make cement from raw materials? what raw materials do you use?

Yes, being an Engineer.

Firstly, cement is the name of the binding agent which you mix with other materials to end up with the building material refered to as "concrete" or joiner material called "mortar". I'm guessing you meant concrete.

Secondly, its not just one material type - there are hundreds of different types of concrete that have been used throughout history.

The most common modern concrete is made from "Portland cement" mixed with an aggregate (usually gravel and sand) and water. Portland cement is pretty finicky to make however, since it is a hydraulic cement (sets due to a chemical reaction independent of how much water there is - ie it doesnt set by 'drying') and needs to be made in specific ratios.

Realistically, you would start with mud (clay) bricks and just air-dry them if you were set on a brick style house, rather than wood.

timber for framing? much of that in a desert is there?

Firstly, if theres no trees, theres probably gonna be no food so you wouldnt be there in the first place.

If you used clay bricks as above, you wouldnt need a wooden frame.

you do know that hardware shops aren't magically restocked each night by elves and fairies, right?

You are aware that people actually make tools?

in fallout NV the houses that are lived in look much as I would expect, better sometimes.

Your house would look like this, would it? Like this guy you wouldnt even push the rubble off your own bed, whether or not push all the rubbish outside?


Considering in the first fallout game, people had built proper towns (ie shady sands) and that was set 120 years earlier, for everyone to still be living in rubble in New Vegas IS rediculous.

Just because you obviously don't have a clue how to build any sort of shelter, doesnt mean that most people on the planet couldn't figure it out in their entire lifespan, since this isnt set just after the apocalypse, but hundreds of years later.

no he's just an idiot who know nothing and has to copy/pasty wiki.
check his cement line and then compare to wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete
people who have a clue don't need to copy wiki.

this guy isn't an engineer's arsehole much less an actual engineer.
on top of that, engineer is such a generic term, covers about 400 trades.

its like when he suggests making bricks, he doesn't consider what materials are required for bricks much less how he's going to fire the kiln.

he, like most people, probably doesn't even know how to make a kiln much less what temperature to fire the bricks made from materials he doesn't know where to get at.
then you have to consider that modern houses are generally brick veneer, which means they have a wood or steel frame supporting the brickwork, giving it a lateral strength as well as a vertical, compressive, strength.

just go look at the 3rd world, you'll see the **** they live in.
**** little humpies made of corrugated iron and plastic.

[Ooshp]

Maybe everyone's too busy getting shot by bandits to start a brick factory? Even the organised groups are struggling to stay alive, I'm not sure they've got around to starting the second Industrial Revolution yet. Even if they did one of the gangs would just destroy it. The ruins and rubble are an expression of the society... the broken society which (and the rubble is a dead giveaway here) doesn't have the collective will to rebuild itself.

Or maybe it's just a game, and this is its setting, and if you don't like it don't play it? You notice the computers look like they were designed by a sci-fi author from the 60s? But they've also got robots? That's crazy!

Maybe - just maybe - they weren't going for ultra-realism. Maybe they've stylised the environment and art. Some call it fiction, I call it a massive lie designed to anger engineers.