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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Ralph Wiggum » 3 Sep 12, 7:58 pm

Not quite so simple as that CA, making a decision to spend thousands of dollars of treatment for a small percentage of success is harder than you think. My dog was injured in a dog attack and the vet bill reached around $15,000 with the potential to increase more if I continued treatment. I was overseas on holiday at the time and I would've spent more without thinking twice. But after speaking to my dad who loved my dog like a grandson, he knew there was a slim chance of survival and told me our dog should be put down.

BTW, there is pet insurance as well :) (although I never bought it).

Edit: I know some people wouldn't think about spending $100 on vet treatment which is wrong, but when it comes to thousands, if not tens of thousands, I can kind of understand to some degree, depending on what the animal has.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby MuscularTeeth » 3 Sep 12, 8:10 pm

Yurtles wrote:. Add that to the fact that nothing is at all subsidised and the market is somewhat more specialised than caring for people and it's not very suprising at all how much it can cost to care for an animal.

thats what it is.
but its weird how they shoota million dollar race horse if it breaks its leg, but a dog or cat is given wheels and casts etc.
am i missing something or are horses long legs somehow not able to be repaired? or is it shock?
any idea?
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby CelticAngel82 » 3 Sep 12, 8:15 pm

Ralph Wiggum wrote:Not quite so simple as that CA, making a decision to spend thousands of dollars of treatment for a small percentage of success is harder than you think. My dog was injured in a dog attack and the vet bill reached around $15,000 with the potential to increase more if I continued treatment. I was overseas on holiday at the time and I would've spent more without thinking twice. But after speaking to my dad who loved my dog like a grandson, he knew there was a slim chance of survival and told me our dog should be put down.

BTW, there is pet insurance as well :) (although I never bought it).

Edit: I know some people wouldn't think about spending $100 on vet treatment which is wrong, but when it comes to thousands, if not tens of thousands, I can kind of understand to some degree, depending on what the animal has.

yeah i understand that.. maybe i just didnt mean it how i wrote it.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Matty » 3 Sep 12, 9:02 pm

Marius wrote:Can't it just be plugged up or something to avoid rust? 5K for that seems... excessive.


Well you could touch up the paint, but then they wouldn't be repairing it. It's the insurances companies obligation to repair the car to as new (assuming no previous damage). But It's only 1 grand for the paint. The other 4 is going to replacement parts and labour. Expensive scratch though when you think about it. If you are going to hit someone try to avoid the car with the pearl white paint. :P
It was only like a 15-20km/h hit too.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Dean » 3 Sep 12, 9:23 pm

You must have the most expensive 120Y on the road
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Yurtles » 3 Sep 12, 9:25 pm

MuscularTeeth wrote:But its weird how they shoota million dollar race horse if it breaks its leg, but a dog or cat is given wheels and casts etc.
am i missing something or are horses long legs somehow not able to be repaired? or is it shock?
any idea?

Probably because you couldn't realistically keep a horse off its feet for as long as it'd take for a broken leg to heal. Bit of a Google seems to back up that theory.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Matty » 3 Sep 12, 9:52 pm

Dean wrote:You must have the most expensive 120Y on the road


Ha! He wishes. 120Y exhausts don't cost $978.98 to replace. :P

Well, his insurance company wishes at least.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby MuscularTeeth » 3 Sep 12, 10:10 pm

Yurtles wrote:
MuscularTeeth wrote:But its weird how they shoota million dollar race horse if it breaks its leg, but a dog or cat is given wheels and casts etc.
am i missing something or are horses long legs somehow not able to be repaired? or is it shock?
any idea?

Probably because you couldn't realistically keep a horse off its feet for as long as it'd take for a broken leg to heal. Bit of a Google seems to back up that theory.


why not realistically? whats so different from a cat/dog/hamster? apart from larger size.
if its about pure economy fine - but it seems it would be possible to engineer a harness etc.

is it the weight of the animal? their leg size? cant drug it out for long periods?
hell if a horse earns so much money wouldn't it be worthwhile ? even just to put it to breeding for cash once it had healed up...
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby diamondd » 3 Sep 12, 10:13 pm

MuscularTeeth wrote:
Yurtles wrote:
MuscularTeeth wrote:But its weird how they shoota million dollar race horse if it breaks its leg, but a dog or cat is given wheels and casts etc.
am i missing something or are horses long legs somehow not able to be repaired? or is it shock?
any idea?

Probably because you couldn't realistically keep a horse off its feet for as long as it'd take for a broken leg to heal. Bit of a Google seems to back up that theory.


why not realistically? whats so different from a cat/dog/hamster? apart from larger size.
if its about pure economy fine - but it seems it would be possible to engineer a harness etc.

is it the weight of the animal? their leg size? cant drug it out for long periods?
hell if a horse earns so much money wouldn't it be worthwhile ? even just to put it to breeding for cash once it had healed up...

well it is
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Matty » 3 Sep 12, 10:27 pm

As far as I know once it's broken they can no longer race. Horse racing is a cruel sport.

Note: I know stuff all about horses :P
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Yurtles » 3 Sep 12, 10:35 pm

MuscularTeeth wrote:why not realistically? whats so different from a cat/dog/hamster? apart from larger size.
if its about pure economy fine - but it seems it would be possible to engineer a harness etc.

is it the weight of the animal? their leg size? cant drug it out for long periods?
hell if a horse earns so much money wouldn't it be worthwhile ? even just to put it to breeding for cash once it had healed up...

Damn it Jim, I'm a forum goer, not a vet! But yes, all of that.
It'd be a nightmare trying to force such a large and powerful animal to not use one of its legs for weeks on end. Highly likely it would be even crueler than simply shooting the horse the moment it broke its leg.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Ralph Wiggum » 3 Sep 12, 10:36 pm

Matty wrote:As far as I know once it's broken they can no longer race. Horse racing is a cruel sport.

Note: I know stuff all about horses :P


Something like that I reckon. It would be difficult, if not possible to get them back to 100% fitness/ability and in a sport where millions of dollars change hands by the distance of a nose, backing a previously injured horse would be pointless.

It's incredibly punishing on the horse's body...look at Black Caviar - the owners raced her quite conservatively with an emphasis on conserving her condition, yet she still pulled up injured at Ascot.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby ChainsawMcP » 3 Sep 12, 11:08 pm

There have been a few cases of horses being put in a harness while a leg heals.

But it is a dice roll every time.

If the pain alone doesn't kill them - you need to repair the injury - fairly complicated in an animal that is constantly on it's toes/fingers (the way a horses foot works is the equivalent of a ballet dancer on her toes ALL the time) then you need to have them active so their digestion and respiration still work - while being supported in such a way that they carry some weight on the injured limb...

Unfortunately they don't understand that they aren't fit and healthy - because drugs take away the pain and the harness supports them - so they try to move around too much...

You would only try it for an animal where the ongoing potential or breeding rights are going to make enough money to cover the expense of multi specialist care and 24hr observation - possibly by a couple of people - for months.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby Disco LT » 4 Sep 12, 5:33 am

Almost got taken out on the way to work today by an idiot who couldn't be bothered to LOOK left before turning onto my street, I didn't notice he'd left the intersection until his bullbar was almost through the drivers side window and swerved off the road to avoid him..and he just carried on like nothing had happened, happy days.
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Re: Fleeting/Random/Thoughts

Unread postby FryzieDelta » 4 Sep 12, 6:22 am

That's why I'm glad I drive a 4WD and pay attention, especially in a city where almost everyone seems to treat the road rules as suggestions. If someone does get stupid enough to run a red light or not look before turning and miss spotting the 2.5 ton beast hurtling down the road at 60 (as opposed to the 75 that everyone else does because they can), and winds up hitting me, I'll be very upset about the damage and they'll be broken.
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