Hacking in BF3

[The_Pharoah]

Dunno if anyone has read this but its certainly interesting

http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield3/comments/t7201/im_a_hacker_and_i_have_some_information_for_the/

I've just come back into BF3 after a few months out and some of the 'hacking' is quite ridiculous (I've purposefully stated the word hacking like that because sometimes I'm sure the players are just good and get wrongly accused). Notwithstanding that, some of the scoring is just plain blatant. Now it gives me the $hits when I get owned again and again by a well placed and accurate sniper, however to see someone in an attacking role with a score of 75-2 or something on metro is just wrong. Why? with the amount of nades, rounds, rockets, etc flying around your lifespan is pretty short - to be able to run around without getting hit like that is almost impossible.

[Chucky]

It is out of control due to the fact Dice/EA never introduced a Battle Recorder. As long as no battle recorder exists, it is purely down to Punkbuster, and as I am sure you know Punkbuster is lacklustre at best (and certainly doesn't catch the paid for hacks).

Why?

GON (and most Pub Servers) do not ban without evidence, and without that Battle Recorder you basically have none.

[Instinx]

i just like the detail he goes into, and i wonder why PB cannot detect that 100% aim thing, surely that would be a giveaway as no human can aim that well given all the factors. The maphacks however would be difficult.

[Chucky]

Instinx, everytime PB update to attempt to catch the paid for hacks, the creator of said paid for hacks goes and updates the hack so it cannot be detected again. Unfortunately it is a fact of life, and again another reason why the reintroduction of the BR file is needed.

[Instinx]

But the end result would surely be the same? if someone does 0% to 100% accuracy within a certain time threshold, and then a time countdown to let the 100% change, if then it doesn't change kick them from the server, or flag them or something.

[Chucky]

But what you are suggesting isn't actual proof that someone is hacking it is here say, sure it is probably a good indicator, but they can't ban/kick/flag someone without actual evidence.

Especially in this day and age where people play in all sorts of e-sports, and some of them are just really that good because they play for 12+ hours every day.

[-Slayer-]

Dunno if anyone has read this but its certainly interesting

http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield3/comments/t7201/im_a_hacker_and_i_have_some_information_for_the/

I'm a streaming admin with PBbans and that post turned up over there and was quickly put to rest as Chucky said they do get detected but the cheat company's are always one step ahead of the detection.

Punk-buster catches the dumb cheaters, it's active server admins that make a huge difference, I wish players wouldn't call them hackers as hackers actually have brains, a cheater is just some dumbass that goes out and buys the third party helpers because they can't play the game for ****.

It is out of control due to the fact Dice/EA never introduced a Battle Recorder. As long as no battle recorder exists, it is purely down to Punkbuster, and as I am sure you know Punkbuster is lacklustre at best (and certainly doesn't catch the paid for hacks).

Why?

GON (and most Pub Servers) do not ban without evidence, and without that Battle Recorder you basically have none.

A lot of cheaters have been caught on games.on.net in BF3, yes not as many if we had the BR file but still quite a lot, it is damn near impossible now with the stupid spectator mode and no BR file, but some of us are just that crazy to go after the cheaters not only in the servers but out onto the internet in other ways, and with no BR file there are also some certain tards exploiting it to there advantage.

I use Fraps to record the cheaters, PBSS screen shots now work in BF3 so no excuse for not returning a PBSS, there are other ways we catch them but I wont be giving away our other methods.

It's another reason the players should be giving Dice a hard time about putting out games that don't have the support like BR files etc: I hear players saying but players just want a game they can play and then they whinge about the cheaters in game.

The amount of players I see QQing in server that someone cheats is also getting ridiculous which also hinders us from getting a good look at them, woopie doo you got shot by someone with better rego or aim no need to go on for the next 15 minutes the player is cheating just shut up and get off your **** and do something about it like recording with Fraps get plenty of screen shots as well, then if you think there cheating SUBMIT it to us via this link http://games.on.net/pages.php?page=tmr

as keeping the servers policed is a team effort.

The games.on.net servers also have a !votekick and !voteban it's only a 15 minute ban but it will give you peace and quiet for that long.

[The_Pharoah]

agreed. and for the most part I think players just get on with it. However, the most blatant I've seen was on Bazaar where I got killed 5 times in a row by some idiot who just sat in his spawn (and killed me with the M1015 or whatever shotgun). Yep...each killcam would go back to him just sitting there. I complained but no admins or anything.

Anyway, next round he gets really cheeky and starts killing the whole team from the same spot! in the end we all just left.

[ChainsawMcP]

The games.on.net servers also have a !votekick and !voteban it's only a 15 minute ban but it will give you peace and quiet for that long.

Not always as useful as it could be if the threshhold is set too high - ie if it requires half or more of the players to vote - because usually only one side suffers from the cheat...

Did see it work one night - multiple calls of cheat against somebody (it was blatant) but we couldn't get enough votes - until people on our team got fed up and left the server - he got balanced to our side - next vote got 90%.

[-Slayer-]

The games.on.net servers also have a !votekick and !voteban it's only a 15 minute ban but it will give you peace and quiet for that long.

Not always as useful as it could be if the threshhold is set too high - ie if it requires half or more of the players to vote - because usually only one side suffers from the cheat...

Did see it work one night - multiple calls of cheat against somebody (it was blatant) but we couldn't get enough votes - until people on our team got fed up and left the server - he got balanced to our side - next vote got 90%.

If i was watching that night, and once got enough evidence on them most likely banned them, well that's how I normally do it on the quiet.

The vote is 50% so in a 64 player server you need 32 votes, I have seen it work 3 times in the past unless you get some players who vote no like I saw one night and I knew the player was suspicious, I might lower it back to 40% because to get kicked from the server by a player vote, you must be doing something to really annoy the players in server.

edit: Lowered it back to 40%.

[The_Pharoah]

prob is though...most players don't really care if hes on their team - only the opposing team.

[astraleclipse]

i was playing on metro where a hacker was pulling off ridiculous sniper shots so much so that everyone on my side starting asking him to piss off that eventually the guys on his side would try and obstruct his pov, didn't work though.

[ChainsawMcP]

edit: Lowered it back to 40%.

THIS sort of proactive trialling of sensible measures - is what separates the great from the good...

Cheers.

[mazmatt]

I did actually read that post on reddit when it first came out and it made me do a little research into the hacks that are out there.

From what I learned those that use the hacks but still want to appear legit can very easily get away with it as most of the hacks have options to turn on and off any or all features.

One particular hack would show a completely normal screenshot but increased the accuracy of any weapon by adjusting the FOV. It showed no player positions as such so the player still had to search manually but if you entered the field of view you would be mowed down by them and their gun would have minimal to no recoil.

BF3 is by far the worst game I have ever played in terms of hacker numbers, even last night a got shot by a sniper thru a doorway whilst we were both running in opposite directions and maybe glimpsed each other thru a 10 degree angle for less than half a second and he kept saying he was legit.

But if you looked at a pbbans screenie of him in most likely would show nothing out of the ordinary.

[Brunius]

Worst hacker problem in a while? You evidently never played Combat Arms. God that thing had a hacker problem.