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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby ReCoN_SIERRA » 24 Apr 10, 9:27 am

Rec0n wrote:Router default gateway I.P. addresses - by brand:
Billion:
192.168.1.254
D-Link:

192.168.0.1
Netgear:
10.1.1.1
Belkin:
192.168.2.1
Linksys:
192.168.1.1

I have started on the list of default gateway I.P. addresses in the OP. If you have any others to add guys, please post them up and I will add them to the OP listing. Also, I would be interested to know if anyone has any alternate I.P.s that the listed brands may also use..

I sincerely hope that at least a few of the 300 odd reads this thread has had have helped some of the GON members to achieve WiFi domination!
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby bcnukenny » 5 May 10, 2:02 pm

It needs to be added,

If you have Wireless interferance, you need a tool to find and locate it right?

How cool would it be to see the wireless signals in a graph and to be able to detect if a Cordless phone blocks the signal.

Well good news heres, one that Metageek prepared eariler.

http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby steve_rogers42 » 11 Aug 10, 1:10 pm

lulz just got cable speed from going through the wireless channels, interesting thing i found was that some channels at lower signal strengths were better than others with higher signal strengths.

that said TP Link routers are 192.168.1.1.

For anyone interested im using a wireless N 300m TD-W8960N from TP Link and a TL-WN951N tp link 300m pci adaptor, i've listed my wireless config below. :)
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Running Win7 64 bit, Adaptor driver 8.0.0.297 (27/01/10) and M/R firmware V1.3.5 Build 100514 Rel.62706n

Internode Easy Brodband 50gb

Wireless speeds = 6173kbps Down, 843kbps Up.
Wired Speeds = 6792kbps Down, 844kbps Up.

Signal strength as reported via Windows widget Network meter = 100%

Device settings
Device Manager -> network adaptors -> TP Link Wireless N -> Advanced
802.11b Preamble: Long Only
Network address: not present
Recieve Buffer: 256
Scan Valid: 60
Transmit Buffer: 512

Router settings
Wireless > Advanced.

Channel 13
Mode: 11n only
Bandwidth: 20mhz
Fragment threshold: default(2346)
RTS Threshold: default(2347)
Beacon interval: (60)
Transmit Power: 100%
WMM: Enabled


For those with internode and wanting to get quick access to a speedtest.net to test their connection again and again CLICK HERE
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby ReCoN_SIERRA » 11 Aug 10, 7:54 pm

steve_rogers42 wrote:lulz just got cable speed from going through the wireless channels, interesting thing i found was that some channels at lower signal strengths were better than others with higher signal strengths.

That's awesome mate!

I would love to see an example of what you mean by 'better than others with higher signal strengths..'. I am always trying to improve the file transfer capabilities of the 'shed' WiFi system, and this is intriguing.

I posted the TP Link info into the OP too...thanks for contributing that.

A great result.
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby steve_rogers42 » 11 Aug 10, 10:06 pm

data right here.
Every test was done three times through speedtest, with the starting signal strength put down then the data transfer rates put down as the average (i was monitoring the rates as speed test was working, it mostly does avg's, but to the higher extent. Other values will denote multiple tests, and the change in signal strength during the test.

Enjoy!

20Mhz Bandwidth, lower control sideband
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Channel Signal Str Kbps Up Kbps Down

Auto 98 840 1345

1 90-100 841 4200

2 80-88-96 844 3220

3 72-80-100 841 2811-3874

4 72-98 800 2256

5 78-100 840 2022

6 76 840 392

7 98 840 2557

8 88-100 844 1633

9 78-94 836 1231

10 100 840 358

11 76-82-88 845 1220-2430

12 80 848 3882

13 100 848 6476


Bandwidth 40mhz, Lower Control Sideband
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Channel Signal Str Kbps Up Kbps Down

Auto 86 830 1126

1 60-72 831 3704

2 72 830 700-1208

3 76-80 830 1153

4 74-76 830 420

5 68-86 784 373

6 74-84-100 821 1316

7 72-86-94-100 754-815-837 1024-3884-4457

8 76-100 830 3320

9 90-92-100 830 4793


40mhz Bandwidth, Upper Control Sideband
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Channel Signal Str Kbps Up Kbps Down

Auto 88 830 1530

5 70 N/A N/A

6 78 N/A N/A

7 76 830 621

8 70-84 830 980

9 76-80 820 2500
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby ReCoN_SIERRA » 8 Nov 10, 5:46 am

Added some interference related points from the lips of my ISP.

Thanks for the first-hand info Angus!
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby Lost-Benji » 22 Dec 10, 7:04 am

Unfortunately, there are a few holes and flaws in the theory/opinions.
Not going to get into it full boar as it is not my thread to clean-up....

My credentials, I have been a Radio & IT tech for over 15 years so I have a pretty good understanding of the issues, pitfalls and Pro's.


OS's:
XP is good but needs to be definitely SP2 or later to allow for half decent encryption. For best results, always use Windows to manage the device/connection. Third-party apps quickly add other BS and headaches when things stop working properly.
Vista, what a lemon of an OS. It is a mongrel to use but more importantly, ensure that you use good quality hardware that is well supported, avoid stuff like D-Link and Netgear as the drivers are nothing special like the hardware.
Win7, a much better OS than the rest but same again, you need to familiarise yourself with it to get best results.
Linux/MAC, can have mixed results but again, get to know your OS and it's way of doing things.


Hardware and modes:
There are four common modes of operation and have different benefits and pitfalls. These A, B, G and of course N as well as the variants of N.
802.11a was an early standard using the 5.8GHz spectrum that at that stage was not overly flogged out. The down sides are that 5.8GHz is very easy to block but also very easy to reflect of bounce. This would be good for N-MIMO but not for the old standard that didn't handle multi-path time-shifted signals.
802.11b was also and early puppy but used the 2.4GHz band. At it's first appearance, the 2.4GHz was still reasonably clean and had some advantages over 5.8GHz. Still easy to block or bounce but not as much as the higher microwave frequencies. However, B does work well in noisy environments, don't discount it because it's a little older.
802.11g, well this mould be one of the best known standards and does work well when tweaked properly. Also in the 2.4GHz band that is now rather crowded but other devices.
802.11n, this is where the magic is if you are smart or lucky enough. There several classes of N standard and these are spread over both the 2.4 and 5.8GHz bands as well MIMO. MIMO stands for Multiple In, Multiple Out. What this does is that your devices (if full MIMO compliant) will have multiple radio stages and antennas to allow up to three simultaneous connections however, these connections can be of different time alignments and signal strengths thus dealing with multiple reflections of different arrival times that would affect all previous forms.

Hardware plays a big part in wireless, if you buy cheap then don't expect much. Always aim at a well know and supported product. Also look for a product that either support the features you want but also supports half-decent firmware's. A good example is the mighty Linksys WRT54G/GL, these are basic and have been around for a bloody long time but they work and work very well, especially with flashed with something like Tofu, DD-WRT or Tomato. All are feature rich but also support RF power level control as well as QoS.

Avoid external antennas that have low-grade and/or long coax leads. There is no coax that is good for microwave, all leak like ****, just in various levels. Good stuff is over 10mm thick and hard to work with, better is over 1 inch or bigger. Real men use LDF (hard-draw) or wave-guide.
Don't use power boosters or eBay ****. Most of this stuff is illegal and just makes things worse, especially for others.
Antennas need to be designed for the task and band, any old bit of wire just won't do. The four main types are Yagi, Omni-directional, grid-pack reflector and phased-arrays (better known as panel antennas).
Yagi's are good for long distance weak but clean signals. They are not much good for scattered signals (obstructions in the way of LoS (Line of Sight))
Phased-arrays are best for both longer ranges but more so if the signal is scattered.
Omni's are for when you want 360 degrees of RF pattern, common for the AP. The catch is not to use a design that has too much gain. Bigger sticks actually are detrimental as they become lossy after 6Db.
Grid-packs are for high-gain directional work over long distances, especially with obstructions.

There other things in the home-brew departments like "Can-tennas" and reflectors but these in most cases a WOFTAM if you don't know what you are doing. Can-tennas are best used for inflating an e-penis rather than being functional.

Spectrum:
The recommendation to use one channel or another is just plain silly and obvious. Each setup/location is different and has different requirements. What does need to be done is to keep your WiFi channels well away from any others in the area. This is not easy for some as it is a required feature to "Scan or Survey" the band. Other things that can be used are the likes of "NetStumbler" that can give you a good representation of what's around you RF wise. The magic advice is as follows, you need to be at least 3 channels away from the others and if there are multiple channels being used in the area, then you need to be far away from the stronger ones, weaker will cause less issues.
The reason why is what's knows and frequency bandwidth. Each channel in the WiFi band is actually 3 channels wide, not 1. I won't explain it in detail here as it is long-winded and best for those of us savy in RF.

Testing is always needed and the best and basic ways are to simply run a large file transfer while running several pings (CMD box) to both local and external addresses. This will soon see if there is congestion or noise in the area. High pings and dropped packets is good sign of high RF noise floor or poor signal/signal to noise ratio (SNR).

If you want some good reading, have a look at this Wiki, ity isn't too bad and gets the bulk out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11


As for any wireless, always use a cable if possible rather than wireless. If wireless is to be used then ALWAYS lock it down with at least WPA/WPA2 and do your homework first.


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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby TH3PWN3DLIF3 » 22 Dec 10, 7:39 am

Good read. Although add;

Router default gateway I.P. addresses - by brand:
Draytek
192.168.1.1
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby ReCoN_SIERRA » 22 Dec 10, 6:32 pm

TH3PWN3DLIF3 wrote:Good read. Although add;
Router default gateway I.P. addresses - by brand:
Draytek
192.168.1.1

Added to the O.P.!

Thanks for your input TH3PWN3DLIF3
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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby R3-5eNn » 28 Jun 12, 10:55 am

I'm having trouble getting my Billion 5200N and TP- Link TL-WR1043ND working together.

The Billion is the modem connected to other PCs (running XP or W7) and I've got one cord running through from that into the TPlink which is at the other end of the house. I've tried the cord in one of the LAN connections and also in the WAN port but still no stable Internet via LAN or wireless when connected through the TPlink router.

Do I need to add routing to my 5200N? Or what can I do to get the router and the modem working as they should? Internet is fine when plugged into just the modem.

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Re: WiFi - Setup and Tuning Guide

Unread postby ReCoN_SIERRA » 1 Jul 12, 10:03 am

Hey R3-5eNn,

I assume you are hoping to use your TP-Link as an access point in this case to extend the range of your Wi-Fi network right? Having a read of the specs etc on the TP-Link site for this TL-WR1043ND router, I believe that this one is just a high speed router with a USB input for extra storage or a printer to share and not an AP or range extender.

If you want to provide a stronger WiFi signal at the other end of the house you would need something like this TL-WA901ND Access Point that can either broadcast a fresh WiFi signal from a cable input or even receive and re-broadcast wirelessly.

I assume that you have tried to fine tune your WiFi performance from the 5200N already using the WiFi tuning guides at the start of this thread? It really is the best way to reduce components and increase performance. At least you know that you really need a new AP if you can't get what you need after the channel tuning.

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