Post Election NBN

[Jeatalong]

This is the thread for it.

[Sathias]

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politi ... 15199.html

WITH the Gillard government returned to office, the national broadband network is back on track and Australia is again moving towards world-class broadband access and the incalculable social and economic benefits it will deliver.

In explaining why he chose to support Labor, independent MP Tony Windsor hit the nail on the head when he said: ''Do it once, do it right, do it with fibre.''

Why is fibre the right way to go? The answer is quite simple: optical fibre - small strands of glass - can carry 10,000 times more information than the entire wireless spectrum used by mobile devices. What is more, it is physically impossible for the wireless spectrum to be extended.

[woodfox]

I would be all for it if the country had the money fact of the matter is when you are already borrowing as much money as we (100 million a day http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 964184.htm figure is a bit old but I have not seen them cut back anywhere so it's probably only gone up) this is the last thing you should be doing.

[EmbraceThePing]

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Seriously woodfox. Abbott lost get over it.

I heard that because of the independants that regional Australia should be rolled out first? I hope that's right because I'm sure Perth counts as "the outback" and I'm looking forward to getting off this damned stupid wirelessBB.

[XPS]

While I sympathize with regional areas are getting poor internet and telco service, what about the people living in black spot areas in the cities.

[woodfox]

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Seriously woodfox. Abbott lost get over it.

I heard that because of the independants that regional Australia should be rolled out first? I hope that's right because I'm sure Perth counts as "the outback" and I'm looking forward to getting off this damned stupid wirelessBB.

yep nothing like living with your head in the sand and saying is all good that always works lol

[skitzor]

I would be all for it if the country had the money fact of the matter is when you are already borrowing as much money as we (100 million a day http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 964184.htm figure is a bit old but I have not seen them cut back anywhere so it's probably only gone up) this is the last thing you should be doing.

yes, because having billions of dollars sitting in the bank is a great thing to have

and yeah you're right, we have never conducted any massive public works because we were in debt

it's an investment, is it that hard to understand?

[Jez]

I would be all for it if the country had the money fact of the matter is when you are already borrowing as much money as we (100 million a day http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 964184.htm figure is a bit old but I have not seen them cut back anywhere so it's probably only gone up) this is the last thing you should be doing.

Would you kindly provide some figures from other OECD countries as well? Perhaps comparing Australia's net government debt as a percentage of GDP compared to theirs?

The government debt in Australia is less than annual income by far as well.

[Sathias]

I don't think people here realize how behind we are on this either... I was on a UK based forum I frequent last night and I was surprised how many people over there already have fibre. The NBN will catch us up and surpass other countries, Abbott's plan won't even start being built till 2014 and still won't even get us close to catching up.

[--GHOST--]

I'm all for everyone having super fast broadband. But is an outside in policy really the way to go? I do understand that regional broadband sucks balls, I really do understand that people need it. But isn't it a tad stupid to roll out the infrastructure in areas that are going to generate the least revenue first?????? Doesn't make sense to me.

And what about people who do live in the metro areas who cant get broadband? What about them? are they to wait years and years? I can see this stagnating broadband access else where. The private sector will do nothing to try and give them access to broadband, Due to the fact that there is a lack of incentive with the NBN eventually coming around.

I live 20mins from Adelaide and I cannot get a decent form of broadband. I get no 3G signal at all, and my adsl connection provided by Telstra's equipment is horribly congested and maybe serves 10k/sec if im lucky. As if they're gonna be interested in investing in their equipment now.........

tbh I feel as if the NBN's gonna fall flat on its face. By the time of the next election the NBN will have only covered small parts of regional Australia and will have generated a fraction of the amount of cash compared to what it could have if it was in the city areas. This will load the coalitions cannons to say "Hey look the nbns spent all this cash and hardly made a return". Bam change of govt and the nbn canceled.

my 2c

[Yurtles]

It's a "nation building" exercise Ghost, if it made good business sense to do it the government wouldn't have to because private industry would have already beaten them to it.
Things like this you have to forget the money (to some extent) and consider how it will benefit Australia as a whole.

[Sathias]

I don't see it as a big deal tbh... Many of these towns need fibre run through them as part of the backhaul build anyway. Many of these towns aren't going to take a long time to build either, and the experience building in these towns will allow the bigger city builds to be more efficient.

[--GHOST--]

I suppose you're are right. But i doubt other people will recognise this by the time of the next election.

Only time will tell.....

[Spl@!]

While I sympathize with regional areas are getting poor internet and telco service, what about the people living in black spot areas in the cities.

The main comeback for rural people not getting service applies?


"stiff shyte, move to the city if you want better services".

Watch the news this coming month.

The Nationals agenda will suddenly become cool, and in-touch, because Gillard's been railroaded into performing it by her deals.

[EmbraceThePing]

The big problem with regional services is that we aren't just talking about extra fast japron to farmers.
The things we take for granted in the cities like being able to walk (ok fatboi not you) down to the corner store and buy some milk doesn't apply to regional areas were the corner store may be 50km away or the services, like specialist medical care, or just a school for your kids may be over 1000km away. Where if you want to watch a movie you either drive a day to a movie cinema or buy a pirate dvd cause trying to legitimately dl 6gigs over an intermittent crappy https dsl connection is like having herpes of the eyeballs.

They need them were as we only really really want them. I can see why the independants wanted to target rural areas fisrt and agree totally.
As mentioned it's not about making money but simply providing services for for people that really really need them.