Asylum Seekers

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[André Axe'm]

I believe there is a system, and people coming here on a boat are trying to jump the queue or choose where they end up.

[Mekon]

So where do these refugees get stored while they get processed? Who pays for them to get shipped elsewhere in the world? Where are these national "quotas" listed? How does this fit in with international agreements on asylum seekers? If you're in a country where the local gestapo is persecuting you, where do you find this "list"? What happens when every country decides they have filled their "quota" for the year? Given that European countries have orders of magnitude more arrivals than Australia, what happens when they decide Australia needs a greater share? How does this take into account all the "illegals" arriving by plane and overstaying visas?

Simplistic answers for complex problems are as useful as **** on a bull.

Amusing sidenote - refugee arrival numbers are down. Must mean Labor's approach is working, right? Or maybe the number of asylum seekers have absolutely nothing to do with any incumbent government's policies...

[Disco LT]

I believe there is a system, and people coming here on a boat are trying to jump the queue or choose where they end up.

Apparently it's not cheap to make the trip, so I've got no sympathy for them what so ever.

I've got a hell of a lot less sympathy when they start burning down their accommodation..

[Mekon]

And if you really want to be informed about the facts behind asylum seekers, have a read of this:

http://www.erc.org.au/index.php?module= ... ment_id=64

It's a bit old (dates from 2006), but everything stated is pretty much still the case.

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[Mekon]

I think you missed my point about "illegals" arriving by plane... they fly under the radar (boom tish) and aren't deported because they aren't bringing themselves to the attention of authorities. The number of people overstaying visas is an orders of magnitude greater than the number of boat people arriving.

In the 2009–10 financial year, it was estimated that around 15,800 people overstayed their visa.

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The estimated number of people who have overstayed their visas and are in Australia at any one time was about 53,900 as at 30 June 2010.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheet ... tizens.htm

Compare this to the (larger than usual) 6879 boat arrivals in 2010.

Having the list will solve the queue jumpers and will also prohibit people for deciding where they want to live. Any where must be better from where they are coming from, If not why leave.

Did you read my link? Doesn't matter what kind of list you put together, it is pointless due to sheer numbers of people trying to get their families to somewhere they can survive...

According to Amnesty International, 1 in every 115 people on earth are refugees, and a new refugee is created every 21 seconds. Refugees re-settle all over the world. However, the distribution of refugees across the world is very unequal.

Tanzania hosts one refugee for every 76 Tanzanian people (1:76)
Britain hosts one refugee for every 530 British people. (1:530)
Australia hosts one refugee for every 1583 Australian people. (1:1583)

Currently, Kenya is playing host to hundreds of thousands of Somali refugees fleeing the civil war and drought-induced famine. In Dadaab alone, there are 440,000 refugees:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-develo ... -extension

That's just one small part of the globe.

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[Mekon]

Dunno what happened to the numbers. *shrug*

The rest of it is pretty much on point, though.

edit: If you scroll to the bottom, you can download the document which contains all the numbers formatted correctly. Suspect there was some kind of glitch porting it to HTML.

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[Jez]

Also, dont you need a passport in order to get a plane ticket these days, hence those people arriving by plane can properly access who they are.

What? Pretty sure you need one for any and all international flights.

Apparently it's not cheap to make the trip, so I've got no sympathy for them what so ever.

I've got a hell of a lot less sympathy when they start burning down their accommodation..

So you have no sympathy, but you have even less sympathy after a riot? Does not compute. Not to mention that saying when 'they' riot isn't really an accurate way to put it, that would be akin to condemning everyone who was on the beach after the cronulla riots.

[Ralph Wiggum]

We've had threads on this issue before, it just ends up going in circles with no-one changing their mind.

[Jez]

We've had threads on this issue before, it just ends up going in circles with no-one changing their mind.

Do people change their minds about whether or not a certain game is good based on threads here? If we're going to start applying this standard we might as well close the entire forum.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Do people change their minds about whether or not a certain game is good based on threads here? If we're going to start applying this standard we might as well close the entire forum.

C'mon Jez, you've been here long enough to know these threads just degenerate into insults about racism / "do-gooders". At least with game discussions the worst people end up is being called fan-boys.

[Jez]

Do people change their minds about whether or not a certain game is good based on threads here? If we're going to start applying this standard we might as well close the entire forum.

C'mon Jez, you've been here long enough to know these threads just degenerate into insults about racism / "do-gooders". At least with game discussions the worst people end up is being called fan-boys.

It's just sometimes I think that the parade of fatalistic "in before lock" type comments are something of a self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to 'serious' threads.

Personally I'm inclined to think that asylum seekers are a red herring when it comes to national politics, we're talking about a few to several thousand people arriving each year in a country of millions where 50k plus people overstay their visas anually. But then they arrived by plane.

The numbers of asylum seekers we receive is further put into perspective by:

I believe there is a system, and people coming here on a boat are trying to jump the queue or choose where they end up.

What system might that be?