Norway shootings

[Jez]

The irony is he will probably be treated pretty well in prison, and have decent facilities at his disposal, because of the sort of progressive politics in Norway that caused him to commit the acts to begin with.

Indeed. Norway doesn't even have a life sentence on the books, maximum sentence is 20 years or so, more than enough time to change that and keep him locked up...

[skitzor]

right-wingers gonna right-wing. I don't understand why they don't just shut the **** up. they would do a lot less damage that way. but I guess the only opinions they care about is other right-wingers, so these batshit claims are probably being eaten up by their supporters.

The irony is he will probably be treated pretty well in prison, and have decent facilities at his disposal, because of the sort of progressive politics in Norway that caused him to commit the acts to begin with.

apparently he has a chance of being put into one of the nicest prisons in the world, but there's also the chance he will be put into a not so nice one.

I remember reading something on a Norwegian news site that had an ex-prison inmate say that he believes if Brievik were to go to prison, he would be below paedophiles in the pecking order. if he wasn't in isolation, he would have a rough time.

Indeed. Norway doesn't even have a life sentence on the books, maximum sentence is 20 years or so, more than enough time to change that and keep him locked up...

yeah I heard it was 21 or so. the same report said that they can do some tricky thing where they give him 5 years at a time for the rest of his life.

[Nekosan]

I remember reading something on a Norwegian news site that had an ex-prison inmate say that he believes if Brievik were to go to prison, he would be below paedophiles in the pecking order. if he wasn't in isolation, he would have a rough time.

Any prison in the world he would get curb stomped in general pop, his sentence would be served in protective custody.

Indeed. Norway doesn't even have a life sentence on the books, maximum sentence is 20 years or so, more than enough time to change that and keep him locked up...

yeah I heard it was 21 or so. the same report said that they can do some tricky thing where they give him 5 years at a time for the rest of his life.

IIRC the maximum is 20ish years but they can just try him for one death and then another when he's due for release, he'll die in jail.

[FryzieDelta]

Why can't they just give him consecutive sentences? Even if they just give him ten years for each murder that's still something like 730 years behind bars.

[Lurk]

Can't say, not exactly a Norwegian criminal law expert.

[Disco LT]

Why can't they just give him consecutive sentences? Even if they just give him ten years for each murder that's still something like 730 years behind bars.

Because it's a waste of money to keep him alive.

[FryzieDelta]

What else can they do then? I don't think they have the death penalty, and 20 years isn't enough for someone with such a blatant disregard for life.

[Lurk]

Put 'im in for long enough and it'll take care of itself.

[MaddMoose]

A paranoid schizophrenic can identify the threat of mind-reading satellites, come up with a shopping list of tinfoil, and then neutralise the threat by coating their apartment in the stuff with devastating precision, doesn't mean he's not crazy.

Are they still crazy if there are actually mind reading satellites?

[Nekosan]

A paranoid schizophrenic can identify the threat of mind-reading satellites, come up with a shopping list of tinfoil, and then neutralise the threat by coating their apartment in the stuff with devastating precision, doesn't mean he's not crazy.

Are they still crazy if there are actually mind reading satellites?

To quote from Catch 22: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you"

[Jez]

A paranoid schizophrenic can identify the threat of mind-reading satellites, come up with a shopping list of tinfoil, and then neutralise the threat by coating their apartment in the stuff with devastating precision, doesn't mean he's not crazy.

Are they still crazy if there are actually mind reading satellites?

Please don't make me argue for the non-existence of mind-reading satellites. I have dignity.

What I'm trying to say is that someone can have a crazy worldview, yet can still do things that are superficially rational provided one also subscribes to that worldview.

[Tastynapalm]

Are they still crazy if there are actually mind reading satellites?

That depends what the satellites make you do? Listen to Justin Bieber, Eat Vita Brits instead of Weet-Bix, Like cats but hate dogs, believe that reality Tv shows are actually reality. I mean if you can believe that an omnipresence being can control the universe, why can't others believe that something orbiting the planet other then the moon can change peoples moods/minds.

If he shot up a mosque full of people, it would be called a hate crime. If he stuck with just blowing up buildings, he would have been called a terrorist extremist. Slaughtering an island full of kids, the media are quick to label him a deranged gunman. If he claims that some outside force was controlling his actions then he's delusional.

'It's okay because God/Allah/Satellites/Immigration/World's Scariest Police Chases' made me do it.

[Marius]

Being delusional or deranged doesn't excuse responsibility.

Even in the criminal justice system, getting committed for insanity is often worse than going to prison, because there's no real way out of it, and you're treated as insane for the rest of your life and so barred from rehabilitation.

[Disco LT]

What else can they do then? I don't think they have the death penalty, and 20 years isn't enough for someone with such a blatant disregard for life.

Just accidently leave him unattended in prison and I'm sure he'll top himself >.>

[FooIsm]

He's fighting for what he believes is right, how is it any different than what the US are doing?