Norway shootings

[TheScientist]

I was just channel surfing and saw that **** George negus show. They were blaming violent video games.

Hitler didn't have violent video games, and he's probably still the worst in living memory.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Have a read of his manifesto and you'll see this was not about simplistic religious extremism. A lot of his rabble relate to right leaning conservatism not directly related to religion, and that some of his beliefs would not stray too far from those I read in Australian newspapers, and dare I say it, these forums.

A fascinating psychological/psychiatric study (I'm a little biased as this is in my line of work), you can see his growing sense of narcissism, psychopathic elitist tendencies develop over time.

He also likes playing Dragon Age 2...

[cyclobs]

see like i said... we are all psycho mad men just waiting for the perfect time to open fire and drop as many people that move

[TheScientist]

What I am pleased about though is that they caught him alive. Though how long he'll remain alive we'll just have to wait to find out. In prison he'd have to be in solitary for his own safety I'd have thought.

[Nekosan]

I also don't understand how you drop a 9mm pistol from the recoil, there isn't that much at all.

It wasn't so much that the recoil was excessive(they shoot .40 S&W i thought) but that the bang and the kick made her giggle like a retard, she had a uni degree though so i guess that's what counts . As moose mentioned also: fear plays a big part in it, i remember reading a survey of the Vic police a few years back where they questioned all the cops and iirc theresult was something like 75% of police in Vic were afraid of their service weapon.

The issue as i see it is that 365 days a year an Australian police officer could be called on to use their firearm to protect the public in what is essentially a combat situation and with effectively no training, they need to have a MINIMUM of a few thousand rounds fired per year.

I'm not advocating that police need some CAG level tradecraft with their weapons but they need to be able to hit what they're shooting at and do it well, the average civilian IDPA shooter makes most police look like kids with water pistols.

Do you know the difference between militia and police?
Militia protects the public from threat, while police protects the government and enforces the law on the public.
Russian militia (milicziya) has been changed to police (policziya) quite recently.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that policemen look out for themselves first, in any country.

Sorry but the example of the russian police or militias don't apply here, Australia has never had an organized militia and we never will, policing in Australia is dramatically different from that in Russia and even trying to make a comparison is just stupid. No modern day, first world country has any need for a militia of any sort.

This "**** the police, corrupt pigs" mentality that come people have on this forum is freaking hilarious, our police do a great job with the funds and resources they're allocated and while the work might be a little political sometimes people need to forget what they see in "The Wire", that's not our reality... policing in Australia today is worlds apart from what it was in the 80's.

What I am pleased about though is that they caught him alive. Though how long he'll remain alive we'll just have to wait to find out. In prison he'd have to be in solitary for his own safety I'd have thought.

He'd be curb stomped in prison if they put him in general population, that doesn't really matter though because prisons in Norway are better than some hotel rooms I've stayed in.

[Jude]

he'll probably be protected by whatever right wing neocon skinheads are already in there.

[FryzieDelta]

Do you know the difference between militia and police?
Militia protects the public from threat, while police protects the government and enforces the law on the public.

That varies wildly all over the world. And the law exists to protect people.

whilst I understand that the cops were outgunned. I ask myself what I would do in that situation. Even only armed with a pistol, I sure wouldn't be sitting by why some guy slaughters children.

I wouldn't think I would either. But we weren't there, we weren't considering going up against an assault rifle with a pistol, and we don't know what their orders were. Especially going up so severely outmatched you'd likely need more than one willing and competent person, and you've got about 25m to work with (if you are capable of using a pistol effectively in combat) while he's got 300+ meters and negates most of your cover. As much as you would want to go in and try to stop in, you'd have to note that you are severely outmatched.

Some people somehow forget to aim and just point... I also don't understand how you drop a 9mm pistol from the recoil, there isn't that much at all.

because they're afraid of it, coupled with the adrenalin that is also probably pumping and the gun shots startles them and they drop it.

Not acceptable. Not in the slightest.

The issue as i see it is that 365 days a year an Australian police officer could be called on to use their firearm to protect the public in what is essentially a combat situation and with effectively no training, they need to have a MINIMUM of a few thousand rounds fired per year.

I think that a few thousand rounds is excessive. Assides for the fact that budget wouldn't allow it, you only need about 10-20 rounds a fortnight to remain competent (if you're not very good with weapons).

[FiveThirtyBird]

Hitler didn't have violent video games, and he's probably still the worst in living memory.

Passing on judgement on someone you've never met. /golfclap

That varies wildly all over the world. And the law exists to protect people.

No, it's serve or protect. There's no compromise. If the law exists to protect people, why are some people above the law?

our police do a great job with the funds and resources they're allocated

You mean pull over drivers and perform drug busts? That's fantastic. Especially waiting 20 minutes for police to show up to resolve verbal or physical confrontations.

he'll probably be protected by whatever right wing neocon skinheads are already in there.

He has ties with white/black/jew unity organisation. Does that sound like someone skinheads would support?

[FryzieDelta]

No, it's serve or protect. There's no compromise. If the law exists to protect people, why are some people above the law?

There is a compromise. You balance liberties with protection, that's what is happening now. I don't know about you, but I don't have a microchip embedded in my body monitoring every move I make. Also, who is above the law?

You mean pull over drivers and perform drug busts? That's fantastic. Especially waiting 20 minutes for police to show up to resolve verbal or physical confrontations.

Until police cars are equipped with with teleportation devices you'll have to settle for there being a time delay between a call out and arrival.

[TheScientist]

Hitler didn't have violent video games, and he's probably still the worst in living memory.

Passing on judgement on someone you've never met. /golfclap

Troll harder. The point I was making was that violent video games are not needed for violent acts, and it frustrates me that they're linked. It's an individuals disposition that is more important, and in the example I gave it's generally accepted that he had a pretty poor disposition to certain groups of society.

[skitzor]

Have a read of his manifesto and you'll see this was not about simplistic religious extremism. A lot of his rabble relate to right leaning conservatism not directly related to religion, and that some of his beliefs would not stray too far from those I read in Australian newspapers, and dare I say it, these forums.

A fascinating psychological/psychiatric study (I'm a little biased as this is in my line of work), you can see his growing sense of narcissism, psychopathic elitist tendencies develop over time.

do you have a link to where you've been reading it?

also, do you have any recommendations of where to start? 1500 pages is a lot.

so it seems like the main reason he did what he did was because he didn't like how the government was handling immigration policy. he believed muslims were a problem, and followed many blogs that agreed with him. so basically he was trying to bring attention to the issue.

however, it seems like the immediate reaction from everyone (except maybe those right wing people he agrees with) is that the problem is right wing extremists like him. they have been getting bad press from every media outlet i have seen (except fox news) by being grouped with Breivik.

didn't really work the way he planned. this might change over time, but i doubt it. i doubt people are going to change their minds on the issue based on recent events.

one of the fundamental crazy threads in his head was the fact that he believed killing all these people would get people to support his cause. there were obviously many more, but this seems like one of the more basic ones.

[PalZer0]

do you have a link to where you've been reading it?

also, do you have any recommendations of where to start? 1500 pages is a lot.

I posted a link to it on page 1 of this thread.

[skitzor]

Creating this compendium has personally cost me a total of 317 000 Euros (130 000 Euros spent from my own pocket and 187 500 Euros for loss of income during three years). All that, however, is barely noticeable compared to the sacrifices made in relation to the distribution of this book, the actual marketing operation

._.

i am glad they are doing everything they can to restrict his contact with the media.

[Nekosan]

Hitler didn't have violent video games, and he's probably still the worst in living memory.

Passing on judgement on someone you've never met. /golfclap

Troll harder. The point I was making was that violent video games are not needed for violent acts, and it frustrates me that they're linked. It's an individuals disposition that is more important, and in the example I gave it's generally accepted that he had a pretty poor disposition to certain groups of society.

The disposition of the individual is often less to blame than the circumstances they find themselves in, you can only worship someone as a god for so long before they start to believe it, even the most humble and caring person (not that i'm saying he was)can change very very quickly when put in the right(or wrong) situation with the right stimulus, to assume that he started out any different to the average man or woman is to forget the lessons we have to learn from his mistakes.

On a side note, Hitler seems to get all the bad press but Stalin was quite a bit worse:

Accordingly, if famine victims are included, a minimum of around 10 million deaths—6 million from famine and 4 million from other causes—are attributable to the regime

(the estimates are usually from 10-30 million people)

Sure, the nazi's are an easy example that everyone knows about but to assume that their atrocities are the worst the human race has ever seen is extremely naive.

[cyclobs]

considering we have had whole races / empires wiped out through out history written or not written