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News Portal wrote:But at $50, it's an expensive investment.
James Pinnell wrote:if you don’t feel like being a god botherer, no problem.
Mekon wrote:News Portal wrote:But at $50, it's an expensive investment.
To be fair, that's not the real price of the expansion, that's the Great Australian 2K Games Steam Ripoff in action.
You can still get it for a much more reasonable 26.99 USD at Green Man Gaming. At half the local price, it's a much more palatable spend.
Ashigaru wrote:Most important thing for anyone playing Civ V (Vanilla or G&K) is to take off your Civ IV hat. It's not the same game, nor will it ever be. I personally haven't had more fun with a Civ game than I have with Civ V
Mekon wrote:James Pinnell wrote:if you don’t feel like being a god botherer, no problem.
You lose some significant advantages by not controlling a religion. I was actively converting my cities back to the One True Faith(tm) to recoup the fairly significant bonuses I had built in.
Major Pantheon Bonuses (pick one): 10% faster Growth Rate, +1 Happiness from cities with population of 6+, +30% increase in city Ranged Combat Strength, +15% Production of Ancient/Classical Wonders, +15% faster border growth
Founder Beliefs (pick one, founder cities only): +1 Happiness for each City following Religion, +15 to Influence resting point with City-States following this religion, +1 Happiness for every 5 followers of this religion in non-enemy foreign cities
Follower Beliefs (pick two, applies to any city): Shrines provide +1 Happiness in Cities with 3 followers, Shrines and Temples provide +1 Food each in city, Gardens provide +2 Happiness in city, Temples provide +2 Happiness in cities with 5 followers, +1% Production for each follower (max +15%), 15% faster Growth rate for city if not at war
Enhancer Beliefs: +20% Combat near friendly Cities that follow this Religion, +20% Combat near enemy Cities that follow this Religion
Added to which, later on in the game, you can purchase Great People with fiath (along with missionaries, inquistors, temples, catherdrals, etc).
It's a pretty signficant subsystem with a good amount of depth and should really not be ignored.
Ashigaru wrote:Sorry to be a bit harsh James, but the review comes off as someone who is butt-hurt about so many of the features of Civ IV not being in place. I've put a lot of hours into Civ V and initially thought it was such a pain compared to 4, but over time have come to realise it's a different beast altogether. No more stacks of doom, not having to deal with dodgy religion, balancing city focuses more than 4 etc.
Also, people often forget that Civ IV in it's vanilla form was missing a lot of the polish the game is now renowned for. Civ V is getting better over time, just like it's predecessor did.
As Mekon has pointed out, religion is actually pretty important to the flow of the game and definitely isn't something to be ignored. I also prefer the implementation in Civ V, and that's it's not linked to technological advances like in Civ IV.
I personally think the exclusion of physical spy units is for the better. It leaves espionage with a more behind the scenes feel, much more befitting for subterfuge etc than moving physical units around.
Also you've noted that the new civs are nothing to really write home about. Did you meet Austria in any of the games you played? Apparently it's both a pain and a bag of fun having her marry up city states all over the shop! Still haven't had a chance to play as the Austrians, but they are by all reports a bit of fun
Most important thing for anyone playing Civ V (Vanilla or G&K) is to take off your Civ IV hat. It's not the same game, nor will it ever be. I personally haven't had more fun with a Civ game than I have with Civ V
Mekon wrote:And it's fair enough to note, but probably also sensible to note that it's only Australia that suffers from the overinflated price.
James Pinnell wrote:This site is for Australians, I don't see why I would need to make that point when it's plainly obvious. It seems like you're nitpicking for nickpicking's sake on this point mate.
Mekon wrote:James Pinnell wrote:This site is for Australians, I don't see why I would need to make that point when it's plainly obvious. It seems like you're nitpicking for nickpicking's sake on this point mate.
Hardly. I was pointing it out because I refused to pay $50 for the expansion because it didn't seem worth it... but was prepared to pay $26 (as noted in the last thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=195354&p=2609963#p2609963 ).
Seems fairly on-topic, given that you were arguing that that it was overpriced for an expansion. Given that it is a Steam key, it makes absolutely no difference where you buy it from and the readership of this site is remarkably adept at importing and buying keys (leaving the whole "90% of people pay RRP" argument a little facile).
Mekon wrote:End of the day, I'm finding the expansion to add significantly to my own enjoyment of the game. Clearly you don't - each to their own, I guess, but you seem a somewhat overly irritated by the conflicting opinions expressed here.
James Pinnell wrote:It's even more pertinent that when Civ V came out, it was $90 on steam, and back then there weren't many sites, if any really, you could buy keys from.
Mekon wrote:James Pinnell wrote:It's even more pertinent that when Civ V came out, it was $90 on steam, and back then there weren't many sites, if any really, you could buy keys from.
How is Civ V's pricing 18 months ago (Sep 2010) remotely pertinent to the pricing of an expansion in 2012? Other than in a discussion about 2K Games applying ridiculous Australian surcharges... which was my point in the first place!
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