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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby PalZer0 » 9 Jun 12, 1:52 pm

BuZeR wrote:So unfortunatly, the only thing that we can do to change this is not buy in Australia. But the down side to this is more game shops, such as Game, will close due to lack of sales/profit. But they have no one but themselves to blame, there are grey import shops (ozgameshop.com comes to mind) that offer a way around these Australian RRP presets... In the world of IT you have change with the times.

This plus the fact that the publishers will see the lack of sales here as being due to piracy and won't bother releasing stuff here because of a perceived piracy problem (or as I like to call it, the Russia syndrome).
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby llllTrooperllll » 9 Jun 12, 3:07 pm

spkypwnsuall wrote:
Instinx wrote:You guys really need to re-look at the premium service. First off, you don't have to buy it, and it gives you no unfair advantage over anyone else; just camo and early access. Its basically all the DLC for half the price (On PC at least :P), paid in advance, with some extra stuff thrown in.


I'll just pretend that the queue priority isn't unfair or anything to those who wait to enter servers, especially seeing as its $50 ON TOP OF the base game. As for the guns, well, I can't really say if they are better than any of the other guns (as i'm not a premium member), but I'm sure there are a few more weapons significantly better than the rest.


The queue priority feature is already available, and has been for ages. Clan's already have this feature for their own server's. Also, this feature is able to be turned off if the server owner wants to. There is no one forcing anyone to make premium members first.

Here is how it works, as from DICE:
The new Join Queue mechanism
Players are divided into three groups:

1. Players on the Reserved Slots list
2. Premium players
3. Normal players

The "Reserved Slots" list is a list with player names. The list is stored locally on each server, and managed by each server administrator.

When a player attempts to enter a full server, the player will go into the queue. Later on, when a player leaves the server, one player from the queue will be let onto the server. The server will first pick a player from the Reserved Slots group; if that group is empty, one from the Premium players group; lastly, one from the Normal players group.
If there are several people in a group, the player who has been waiting the longest in a group has precedence.

In addition to this there is the "aggressive join" setting. If Aggressive Join is enabled, then if a Reserved Slots player joins the queue, a user on currently on the server will be kicked to make room for the Reserved Slots player.
The Aggressive Join setting does not apply when Premium or Normal players enter the queue.

It is common for clans and communities to use the Reserved Slots + Aggressive Join together; those who pay the monthly bills or otherwise support a server are on the list, and are guaranteed to be able to come in and play on their server. Others can play on it too if there's room.

(This is pretty much how the BF:BC2 queue worked.)
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Also, who the hell waits for ages in a queue anyway??
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby BuZeR » 9 Jun 12, 3:46 pm

Regardless of the features, you can not justify Console players paying more then other console players in the US, or PC users in Australia. It is unethical and very poor practice. At least if it was for a hard copy of the game, they can try justify it as extra postage frees, or GST etc. But for a online feature? It is a bit rich to try tell anyone they have to swallow that. It is blatent fayboyism that makes people try and defend this pricing choice .
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby Submariner » 9 Jun 12, 3:48 pm

Ralph Wiggum wrote:Oh please, PC games have been cheaper than console games for quite a while now. This is no different.

This is really about EA stuffing up with the pricing announcement, when they changed the original wording of the news post with a ninja edit to say Origin price.
http://www.ea.com/au/news/dice-unveil-b ... -3-premium

Lot of ninja editing going on and they do not display the console prices separately. It made it look like the $49.99Aus price was for all platforms, as all platforms were listed under the $49.99Aus price:
http://imgur.com/oGwI1

http://www.battlefield.com/au/battlefie ... pQod_26NnQ
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby Bluefire » 9 Jun 12, 3:58 pm

Let me see if Ive got this right..
BF3 on pc... looks better, is cheeper, requires anal lube (origin).
BF3 on console.. looks worse, is more expensive, does not require anal lube.

And its the console gamers getting upset ?

I would pay twice the pc rrp for bf3+dlc's in order to play it on pc without spyware.
Why the hell are the console gamers upset ? Most normal males would happly pay a premium price to avoid being bent over, lubed up and left exposed every time the want to play their favorite game..
Obviously we have a few on the forums who enjoy it.. and Im not judging.. thats your choice.
But has anyone explained to the console gamers that for once they have the superior gaming experence ?? Be happy and pay whatever they ask to avoid origin.
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby SaNE » 9 Jun 12, 4:03 pm

BuZeR wrote:But for a online feature? It is a bit rich to try tell anyone they have to swallow that. It is blatent fayboyism that makes people try and defend this pricing choice .

It's been going on for a long time and I hardly doubt the magical inquest is going to change anything.
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby BuZeR » 9 Jun 12, 4:05 pm

SaNE wrote:
BuZeR wrote:But for a online feature? It is a bit rich to try tell anyone they have to swallow that. It is blatent fayboyism that makes people try and defend this pricing choice .

It's been going on for a long time and I hardly doubt the magical inquest is going to change anything.


I know, go back to page one and read my first post..
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby PalZer0 » 9 Jun 12, 4:24 pm

BuZeR wrote:Regardless of the features, you can not justify Console players paying more then other console players in the US, or PC users in Australia. It is unethical and very poor practice. At least if it was for a hard copy of the game, they can try justify it as extra postage frees, or GST etc. But for a online feature? It is a bit rich to try tell anyone they have to swallow that. It is blatent fayboyism that makes people try and defend this pricing choice .

For the record, I'm not trying to defend it because I also think that MS has a lot to answer for in regards to pricing of MSP. I'm just saying that it's not EA's fault that pricing for 4000 MSP is cheaper in the US than it is here. They've done their part by pricing BF3 Premium on 360 the same in MSP worldwide so that certain regions don't pay more MSP than other regions. The cost of MSP in certain regions is all on MS.

Having said all that, there's no excuse for the overcharging on PSN that I can see. That should really be looked at closely and EA should be pressed hard on this matter. However, I've seen some posts on EA Australia's Facebook that say it was Sony's decision to price it so high on PS3. If that's the case and it's somehow not EA's fault for the PS3 pricing then Sony should be taken to task as well.

I'm more inclined to believe Submariner that this was a screwup on EA's part when announcing pricing for BF3 Premium (and, honestly, who didn't expect EA to screw up the announcement?).
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby Tas » 9 Jun 12, 4:50 pm

Its scary that anyone actual;ly defends EA, when it is "EA!!"... this whole premium service **** is laughable to say the least. it's simply a way for them to bleed more cash out of people for what they are sposed to have within the game in the first place. I can assure you, they will not be dropping the price on their titles. You will still be paying full price for games on top of this dribble.

EA truly are the ":blizzard of the fps world"... greed an open contempt of their customer base. Thank **** I have more self respect than to play EA titles. :)
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby BuZeR » 9 Jun 12, 5:22 pm

Tas wrote:Its scary that anyone actual;ly defends EA, when it is "EA!!"... this whole premium service **** is laughable to say the least. it's simply a way for them to bleed more cash out of people for what they are sposed to have within the game in the first place. I can assure you, they will not be dropping the price on their titles. You will still be paying full price for games on top of this dribble.

EA truly are the ":blizzard of the fps world"... greed an open contempt of their customer base. Thank **** I have more self respect than to play EA titles. :)


This I dont realy agree with, yes they are getting extra money from this... But whats their other option? Re-release the same game every year with new maps and call it "Battlefield: MW4"? These sorts of games have a huge on going cost that was typically restricted to MMOs who charge a monthly subscription. As long as it is not a 'pay to win' feature then it is fine IMO... But atlast charge the same amount across the board...

Hopefully these new 'indie' games will show these AAA+ titles that its about substance not the glitz and glamor of graphics with no substance...
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby PalZer0 » 9 Jun 12, 8:12 pm

Tas wrote:Its scary that anyone actual;ly defends EA, when it is "EA!!"...

If this was directed at me, then I can assure you that I'm not trying to defend EA here. I'm just using some form of logic here.

If you've seen the pricing for Games on Demand on 360 you'll know that charging in real money first then converting it to MSP is much more open to abuse from publishers. At least by charging in points first it can be blatantly obvious when specific regions are being gouged.

The only reason COD Elite gets away with charging in real money by default is because it's a subscription service. Since BF3 Premium is a one off fee, EA can't use that loophole (unless you want BF3 Premium to be a subscription service). With EA charging the same amount of MSP globally the onus goes back onto MS to fix the pricing of MSP here.

I'll qualify my opening statement by saying that I know nothing about how content is priced on PSN (whether it's Sony or the publisher that sets the price of DLC). EA could very well be at fault for the pricing on PS3 and, if that's the case, they should be raked over very hot coals for it. If it's somehow not EA's fault and it's Sony pulling the pricing strings then it should be Sony taken to task over the BF3 Premium pricing.

Once again, I'm not defending EA. I'm just saying to focus your rage in the right direction.
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby chipotley » 9 Jun 12, 8:32 pm

Am I missing something? My Origin store page says that BF3 Premium is $49.99.
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Unread postby PalZer0 » 9 Jun 12, 9:12 pm

chipotley wrote:Am I missing something? My Origin store page says that BF3 Premium is $49.99.

The problem is related to PS3 and 360 versions.
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby meji » 9 Jun 12, 10:51 pm

Well the PC version was cheaper than I expected, pity the poor console players though who get the console tax just like when they buy those games for $120.
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Re: Australian BF3 Players Vent Rage Over BF3 Premium Pricin

Unread postby Tas » 9 Jun 12, 11:10 pm

I dont actually know what the conversion rate is, but I know that the Microsoft system is a joke.The deal with extra maps etc are
1# they release maps for free (this is how it used to happen)
2# they allow players to create their own maps an use the system in place to distribute those maps. (this second one is a **** to setup properly though. Farcry 2 tried it, an it blew up in their face sadly. Or though off topic a bit, farcry 2's map maker was hands down superior to anything I have ever seen.

What you are going to slowly find is more an more content being taken out of the "core game" an suddenly its classed as dlc.Because the "premium service" will allow them to skate by an get away with it.

This will happen, simply because its good business sense. EA are nothing if not opportunistic pricks.
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