Legal Opinion: How Cloud Gaming Turned Piracy Into Espionage

[Marius]

I think it's because there is a clear distinction between DRM tacked on - technical measures, and an online-only game designed from the ground up.

For some this isn't enough, but for others they are more fine with this than simply slapping DRM onto a boxed game.

[Bluefire]

Try to think of it like work.. they compensate you for it .. well ok.. you dont have to like it but you can put up with it for the compensation.
Now.. if they dont compensate you for it (ie ubi) then tear merry hell imo.

Personally I think D3 should be offline for single player..
But with a $0 pricetag and a cloud bank.. well Im prepared to put up with their drm for that.
Everyone has a price.. just got to work out what yours is..(I know, Im cheep)
Would cost EA $1k to get me to install origin tho... and $500 every week you want me to keep it installed.. figgure thats a fair price to leave a pc sitting in the corner completly untouched with just windows and origin installed on it.

[endgame]

You know what? Price gauging and high prices affect other goods and services in Australia. Do you apply the same concept of not paying to use those goods/services?

Yes! I either buy stuff from the cheapest store no matter where that store is located in the world or I simply don't buy said stuff.

[retaxis]

was this a troll news story?

also, pirates ftw, up yours you corporate dogs!!.

[Marius]

was this a troll news story?

No.

[thefinn]

Yeah sorry, I'm a piracy advocate. The day I get what I pay and don't NEED to try before I buy that might change.

Dragon Age 2...
Dungeons...
Mass Effect 3...
EVERYTHING with the name "Call of Duty" on it...

Obviously, tastes differ and that - if one doesn't even have a completely justified (imo) cynical attitude toward game reviewers - is at least one reason not to trust game reviews to moderate your purchases...

One only has to look at EA's treatment of 2nd hand games as piracy to see where the real problem lies on this topic... I guess they just don't have enough company jets.. and personally, my heart bleeds for them over that issue.

Just the other day, I like skyrim so much I figured I'd take advantage of the steam deal for oblivion $12.50 for oblivion + all addons. What do I get? A program that CTD's as soon as I finish choosing a character. Can I get my money back? Sure, once I spend hours convincing the wonderful people at Valve that I didn't get my money's worth.

The difficulty in getting your cash back for games just goes to show the shoddy industry for what it is.

[Gamer87]

Personally I think D3 should be offline for single player..

But with a $0 pricetag and a cloud bank.. well Im prepared to put up with their drm for that.

Have you not read this thread? There are many reasons why it's all online...
Most larger companies don't do free games yet, only smaller/indie companies do. I'm sure there's a reason for this, someone might want to fill this in? To have a large game like d3 as a play to win game... that would suck dogs nuts.

Also DRM on a free game:/ wut

Would cost EA $1k to get me to install origin tho... and $500 every week you want me to keep it installed.. figgure thats a fair price to leave a pc sitting in the corner completly untouched with just windows and origin installed on it.

Why not just install it? What harm is it going to do to you? sfa is all it's going to do. You can even make it so that it only starts up when you click it

blaaa

lol trying to justify stealing... go back with the rats scum. I cant afford a tv, can i come steal yours?
Or can I buy that TV off you for cheap? only to find out I need to alter a few things to make it work at my house, and then try to return it?

[Bluefire]

Have you not read this thread? There are many reasons why it's all online...
Most larger companies don't do free games yet, only smaller/indie companies do. I'm sure there's a reason for this, someone might want to fill this in? To have a large game like d3 as a play to win game... that would suck dogs nuts.

The reasons listed are not resons, they are excuses for DRM and are in no way required or benifical for the game or people playing the game.

Why not just install it? What harm is it going to do to you? sfa is all it's going to do. You can even make it so that it only starts up when you click it

Why install spyware for a company on my system.. and not charge them money to have it there ?.. lol.. no. Price is reasonable.

[Marius]

The reasons listed are not resons, they are excuses for DRM and are in no way required or benifical for the game or people playing the game.

I definitely see them as benefits.

Hackers have been trying to emulate the Diablo 3 beta client for seven months now and have failed. If the server software was made available to them it would be a different story.

Given what happened in D1 and D2, this is a large benefit. I don't want to spend my play time dealing with hacks.

[Bluefire]

No, they are definatly hastles, one button in the menu.. "online multiplayer" which then connects you to their online services is all they need to fix it.

And WoW can definatly be a detriment to ones life, Caused quite a few problems for me.. Hence Im just casual now, Just play when the wife is rather than the 30+ hrs a week I used to One little daughter.. and lots of things change

Edit: tisk! sif edit it while Im responding

[Marius]

I edited my reply to be less joke and more serious comment.

The game relies heavily on item trading between players. If hackers can breach the server software, they have the means to dupe items.

Keeping the software as secret as possible is critical to keeping the integrity of the economy. An 'offline mode' gives hackers critical information about how the server works.

That's a massive benefit to online-only/DRM/whatever.

[Bluefire]

If that is their focus then remove singleplayer completly, require groups for content and name it world of diablo not diablo3
The diablo series was created as singleplayer with multiplyer options. If they want to gimp singleplayer and cannot be bothered monitoring multiplayer correctly they could atleast name it right

[Gamer87]

Why not just install it? What harm is it going to do to you? sfa is all it's going to do. You can even make it so that it only starts up when you click it

Why install spyware for a company on my system.. and not charge them money to have it there ?.. lol.. no. Price is reasonable.

If only you knew how much 'spyware' you actually had on your computer right now...

[Marius]

The diablo series was created as singleplayer with multiplyer options.

...16 years ago.

Also, those early attempts were ruined by hacks and item dupes. It just didn't work for anyone other than LAN players, or those who enjoyed having every multiplayer game be with people who played with duped gear.

That something was done over a decade ago does not make it worth doing today if it had massive flaws.

[Fireslide]

If that is their focus then remove singleplayer completly, require groups for content and name it world of diablo not diablo3
The diablo series was created as singleplayer with multiplyer options. If they want to gimp singleplayer and cannot be bothered monitoring multiplayer correctly they could atleast name it right :P

But that's your opinion. I'd rather take the word of the guys making diablo themselves and what they see their own game as.