Consoles are Dead, Claims Firefall Developers

[GoToadGo]

@ Toad

Now maybe at the start of a console generation, not really tho $500 bucks and I can get you gaming on a PC.

If you don't care about hi res displays I can do it for even less if you are willing to have a small display 17" I can do it for even less again.

Is it a Tri GPU rig with an overclocked 8 core bulldozer processor running 6 displays in 3d ? Nope but I guarantee it will run any current gen game in reasonable quality with 30-40 frame rates.

There is an implied expense in PC gaming which is simply false everyone has a pc of some sort in the First world they are almost bare essentials.

Also really ? we hook my desktop up frequently and have games of dungeon defenders with each other sitting on the lounge all the time ? Maybe you just don't know how to do it effectively with a pc

again, for the masses. The masses don't build their own pc, they buy them from a store. No $500-$700 pc from a store will play games all that well, if at all. It's just easier to plug in a console, switch it on and go. Your average joe doesn't need to worry about minimum specs and what not. They know if they have an Xbox and the game they pick up says Xbox, it's going to work. I speak from experience, as I see the masses buy pcs all day and about 1% of those are for games.

Also, games on pc where four people can play together at once on a single screen are generally few and far between. Consoles on the other hand, I can see about 5-6 in my collection alone. I understand how to do effectively, I just can't be bothered moving my pc every time my friends come over. Not to mention we each have a console controller each which makes it so much easier on consoles.

[Spooler]

It's called an Enthusiast hobby. People do it because they ENJOY it, regardless of how pointless it is.

On topic; Unfortunately, i doubt our dev friend is correct. Especially once the new generation come out. They're just too convenient for most people.

I understand it and far be it from me to stop people spending their money the way they want, but yes I have the same opinions over Vehicle enthusiasts overkill is over kill in all it's forms.

And I think the next generation will hing it's success on price no one will buy a $1,000 console or atlest not many



@ toad
Smart tv's with wifi connectivity and wireless controllers
And the masses game on their 500 office pc's just not the same games you do

[GoToadGo]

@ toad
Smart tv's with wifi connectivity and wireless controllers
And the masses game on their 500 office pc's just not the same games you do

So the cost of your PC gaming just went up? interesting....

I also think this discussion is more related to games that don't run on browsers.

[Spooler]

So the cost of your PC gaming just went up? interesting....

I also think this discussion is more related to games that don't run on browsers.

heh ? MS solitaire is the most popular game to date ( So I'm told) doesn't run in a browser to my knowledge

I don't get what you mean by cost went up cost with gaming in all it's forms is not set at a standard each person pays differently number of games/amount of dlc price paid for dlc/games etc number of peripherals or quality of.

Cost of gaming is always changing so I don't understand your statement having said that it is 5 AM here and I haven't slept

[GoToadGo]

So the cost of your PC gaming just went up? interesting....

I also think this discussion is more related to games that don't run on browsers.

heh ? MS solitaire is the most popular game to date ( So I'm told) doesn't run in a browser to my knowledge

I don't get what you mean by cost went up cost with gaming in all it's forms is not set at a standard each person pays differently number of games/amount of dlc price paid for dlc/games etc number of peripherals or quality of.

Cost of gaming is always changing so I don't understand your statement having said that it is 5 AM here and I haven't slept

Come on man, if you're basing your argument on solitaire I'm not even going to bother.

[Aeolus_C]

He's an idiot, $5 says he talks this rubbish and then they deliver a dumbed down Firefall compared to what they originally showed.

Well I could give you a beta key, but i suspect you wouldn't enjoy it.

[Spooler]

Come on man, if you're basing your argument on solitaire I'm not even going to bother.

There's a ton of examples of low end gaming out their minecraft being one urban terror I have already mentioned.

When I was younger and poorer I had a cheap old rig and never found myself without entertainment at that was like the direct x 9 era when I had to save up for my copy of half-life 2 and could only run it effectively on lowest settings

Ahirman's prophecy kept me enthralled for weeks and I still find myself going back to play it now.

some of the best examples of the greatness that is PC gaming are cheap or free E.Y.E comes to mind that game was incredible amounts of fun all for what $19 ? there's always been the miss concept that pc gaming is pretty visuals but it really isn't the best pc experiences look aweful but give you honest moments of hilarity

[Nekosan]

He's an idiot, $5 says he talks this rubbish and then they deliver a dumbed down Firefall compared to what they originally showed.

Well I could give you a beta key, but i suspect you wouldn't enjoy it.

Actually been looking forward to it for ages actually rofl, the only reason I wouldnt enjoy it was if it actually WAS rubbish.

[Aeolus_C]

Its VERY beta like atm, they dump us a pile of content and ask us what we think and if it works So yeah, proper beta, not a come play this as a demo before we release.

[sh0v0r]

I have developed games for both PC's and Consoles.

I have a high end custom built crossfire rig, I love my PC, I love PC gaming... I also own every single console that has come out because I love my console gaming. I'm a gamer not an ignorant platform fan boy.

Consoles deliver titles that are better suited to that type of platform in a very polished plug n play experience right in my living room. Ultimately that's why consoles are successful because they have much easier end user experience for people that don't want to know about technical things. They plug it in, it works.

Consoles are here to stay and I'm happy they are... this guy does have a point about the ever increasing cost factor but that is usually more of a software cost not a hardware cost as ever increasing power requires ever more man power to crank out the content and that **** is expensive. That is going to cause consolidation with fewer big budget AAA titles being created.

[Ralph Wiggum]

The Board should remove that guy from the post of CEO. If he thinks consoles are dead, then he has no idea of the current state of the market and isn't fit for his job. I reckon his studio will fold long before consoles ever become obsolete.

[korbain]

lets not be silly here, we all wish he was right...but sadly he's not. Atleast he's defending what he believes in

[Nekosan]

lets not be silly here, we all wish he was right...but sadly he's not. Atleast he's defending what he believes in

The problem is that if he really believes that then he's **** retarded, a 10 year old could tell you that consoles are still doing well, I don't expect that kind of stupid **** from the mouth of a developer and it makes me sad that it's coming from the mouth of a develops whose game I'm looking forward to.

He HAS to be just going for the "any press is good press" approach, the only alternative is that he's a drug addled crackhead and he's preparing us for his prophecy on Voodoo making the next big graphics card.

[Spooler]

alot of indie developers have said similar things.

Some of my less intelligent friends have been acting like he's Pc gaming saviour for saying this, truth doesn't matter it is publicity and showing "pc gamers" he loves us more than anyonelse is just good business sense.

Having said that I have been having a ton of fun in Firefall and it's not even close to done yet ... the guy's gotta be doing something right


Also;
GoN readers reading forum titles and not articles what he said in context was accurate, innovation on consoles is dead/dying not consoles are not profitable and never will be again. Or atlest that's how I read the article

Off-topic
Thanks again to Aeolus_C for the hook up

[Marius]

You fail to see the fact that you had a MUCH larger initial investment for your PC. People like consoles as they can get one really cheap and then acquire what they need over time. They can also just plug it in and go, same with the games. It's made for the masses, and it's perfect for those who just don't grasp PC gaming.

Fortunately my bank accounts aren't linked to those of 'the masses'.

For me, PC gaming is ultra-cheap.

I use my PC to make a living, so need things like a fast CPU, ram, monitor etc...

The only conceivable thing that I put in my PC just for gaming is a $500 graphics card. And then I also have access to F2P titles, MMOs and the like that don't just appear on consoles.

I can understand why some people like consoles, and why they're successful, but they're very expensive to me.