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Unread postby Cozi » 5 May 12, 6:43 pm

Hey all,

Well have a friends younger sister who is very keen on getting into Photography and well I have absolutely no idea I just point and click. I have 2 questions...

Where would a good place to start with in terms of DSLR's (would you even suggest a DSLR?). I suppose its really going to come down to price? If it does say the $500-$1200 mark?

This probably wont be able to answer as I am sure there are multiple areas for Photography but in terms of courses eg uni/short courses? anything that someone could provide would be a good start. She is in Melbourne too.

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Re: Where to get started?

Unread postby Nemesis_22 » 5 May 12, 7:43 pm

All right - this might help...

First things first, the camera. She's going to have a vast range of options in terms of cheap SLR's - there are at least a dozen she can look at that are current range alone - but which one she wants is going to be up to her.

Does she genuinely want SLR type controls as well as SLR quality? Or does she want something that takes great photos but isn't the same size as an SLR?

I'm going to assume she wants an SLR. Which means it boils down to two primary choices in terms of brand - Canon, or Nikon. Sony isn't too bad, but I find their electronic viewfinders a bit of a pain - not to mention the camera has a lot of features that fall under the gimmick range rather than the practical. Admittedly, they do use a very good movie autofocus system, the fastest in the SLR's.

Canon has several models on offer at around the right price mark. 1100D and 600D are the main ones however. Between the two, the 600D is a fair bit more expensive, but its a better camera overall - better build, better quality, faster shooting, higher resolution.

However, I'm going to lean towards Nikon here rather than Canon, for three very important reasons. Firstly, the new D3200 is coming out, which means the already cheap D3100 is going to be even cheaper until it sells out, the Nikon's are user friendly and the D3100 from what I've seen appears to take a better photo than the D3200.

The new D3200 is very high resolution - 24 megapixels, and it does have good controls, excellent movie mode and good build quality. But its pictures are, at the finer level of inspection, not as bright as those on a D3100 or as vibrant. Have a look at these comparisons to see what I mean -

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Both of these images were taken from here, btw -
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond3200/6

The D3200 tends to sharper, the D3100 tends to be a bit punchier in its colour.

Both of these cameras, however, are under $1000 (in the case of the D3100, under $800) for twin lens kits. The D3200 is not yet released, but isn't far away. People will be clearing away their D3100's soon, if they haven't started already.

There is also one tiny little feature which is immensely helpful on the Nikon cameras, however. The 'help' button. Any setting you wish to change on the camera can be explained with a press of a question mark button on the back of the camera, which will explain things very simply and even give helpful tips when you are shooting about what you can do to improve the quality of the shot.

The camera actually has another feature along these lines - its called 'guide' mode. You pick from a list of preset settings what it is you are shooting, and the camera changes its settings to get the best possible shot in those circumstances - more or less. It makes things -very- easy for a beginner.

That being said, its not a simpletons camera. Once you have the basics, you can turn all that stuff off and start doing the complex controls, no problem. The fact of the matter is that unless you have some training, a Canon tends to be baffling- they have no help system. But Nikon do, and the camera can lead you along for a bit before you are confident to do things on your own - kind of like training wheels.

As to doing a course, I'm not sure who to recommend (I never did one myself - learned on the job as it were, and through a lot of research and practice) but I believe a TAFE course is a good spot to start. Otherwise, let the camera teach her, by doing. First thing she should learn to use is Aperture priority, combined with controlled ISO, to determine depth of field (what is in focus, and how much of it) and to learn the relationship between shutter speed, aperture, and ISO. But thats just me.

Anyway, hope that helps.
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Re: Where to get started?

Unread postby Cozi » 5 May 12, 11:18 pm

Just what I was after and gives me something to work with. Appreciate the detail!

If anyone else has any suggestions I would be all ears :)
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Re: Where to get started?

Unread postby Bluefire » 6 May 12, 8:57 am

Cannon/Nikon.. pretty much the same hardware wise. Just the user interface that changes. however once you learn an interface you tend to stick to it.

If shes going DSLR... look at what body she can get for "now".. plan what shes going to upgrade to _when_ (not if) she decides she needs it.. buy good quality (even if gray market) lenses that will fit BOTH bodys (lenses are 500-1500+ each, start with a good quality 24-110mm imo).

We just replaced the wife's Cannon 50D with a 5D .. all but one of her dozen lenses cannot be used on the 5D.. so now we have alot of paperweights :P

Isnt anything wrong with her starting with a point and shoot with slr type controls ie Cannon G12 (which is a kickarse little beastie)

Edit: Oh and if she is going dslr.. tell her to learn full manual its complex initally but once she learns it then she can decide if she want to switch to a priority mode (which she wont once she has learnt manual correctly)..

Lightmeter + graycard also good ideas if your not a "fix it in photoshop" type.
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Re: Where to get started?

Unread postby BorisBC » 6 May 12, 9:51 am

Cozi, if you go Nikon, then you get to be one of us that is "I am Nikon"! Ha! Haven't seen any Canon ad's that have such A-list celeb's as Robbie Williams or that cooking bloke in it! Besides, that's a cool song too.

Ok, enough with the bollocks, here's a pic I did with my Nikon D5000:

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Re: Where to get started?

Unread postby diamondd » 6 May 12, 10:41 am

Well personally I've always leant towards Canon cameras, in general they've always taken a more crisp and vibrant picture.

just my 2 cents, to be honest I'd probably trust the guys above though :P
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