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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Auld » 23 Jul 12, 12:52 pm

=beast= wrote:you also need to keep in mind that multi-million $ productions such as this, the director does very little in the way of physical camera movements. its left up to the cinematographer and bout 20 other guys (for example)

nolan being in the role of producer will most likely chose the same team that he has used on his movies. so while he isn't directing, a lot of the nolan-esk atmosphere/style may be present

also, nolan is still primarily a director and probably had time to be on set quite often to help out.


Not sure how I left you with the impression that I thought Directors filmed the movie *shrug*

Directors obviously don't film movies thats the DoP's job. Snyder is the Director he watches the shots, lets the DoP know what his vision is for the shot/scene and is involved in editing/look dev etc. etc. This film will have Nolan's resources behind it and input, but its Snyder's baby. If he was helping with Directing he'd be listed as one, as it is Nolan is one of about 5 Producers.
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Nekosan » 23 Jul 12, 3:32 pm

=beast= wrote:i never really liked superman. iv seen them all a few times. but there's something about the story that doesn't quite grab me

this however may change my opinion

i do like amy adams


I also like Amy Adams.

I've only ever liked 2 Superman stories, Red Son (where he crashes into a Soviet farming combine) and another which I can't remember the name of but i swear I read in a "golden age of science fiction" omnibus, the story concerned an aging Green Lantern visiting Superman in his prison cell and chatting, rather than mid west America his capsule had landed in Austria and he was taken in by the Reich, the Germans pushed the war on all fronts mercilessly until a lantern died and the ring as given to a small boy in Auschwitz.


It's exceedingly hard to do a superman story or movie without having it turn into a parody of the genre, the character is just not really very good and it's always laughable unless you do the whole action noir thing similar to Sin City or Dick Tracy.
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Auld » 23 Jul 12, 3:38 pm

I think its probably very hard to write a script that instills tension/drama when your main character is practically invulnerable.
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 23 Jul 12, 4:34 pm

Nekosan wrote:
=beast= wrote:i never really liked superman. iv seen them all a few times. but there's something about the story that doesn't quite grab me

this however may change my opinion

i do like amy adams


I also like Amy Adams.

I've only ever liked 2 Superman stories, Red Son (where he crashes into a Soviet farming combine) and another which I can't remember the name of but i swear I read in a "golden age of science fiction" omnibus, the story concerned an aging Green Lantern visiting Superman in his prison cell and chatting, rather than mid west America his capsule had landed in Austria and he was taken in by the Reich, the Germans pushed the war on all fronts mercilessly until a lantern died and the ring as given to a small boy in Auschwitz.


It's exceedingly hard to do a superman story or movie without having it turn into a parody of the genre, the character is just not really very good and it's always laughable unless you do the whole action noir thing similar to Sin City or Dick Tracy.

"All-Star Superman" is probably the definitive Superman read. Also check out "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", "Red Son" as you mentioned, and "For the Man Who Has Everything".
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Nemesis_22 » 23 Jul 12, 4:52 pm

Its why his enemy in this one is Zod.

Supes isn't invulnerable. He is really, ridiculously tough, but he can be beaten by sheer, brute force. Doomsday proved that. Zod has the same powers he does, after all, and is a much better trained fighter - having been able to fight before he was given his abilities.

Superman's ridiculous level of ability does, however, mean that the only way to believably beat him is to have someone come in stronger than he is - and there aren't too many of those. It does make it hard to make a believable villain, in the end, that he can go against.

However, one of the best examples of why Superman gets beaten or momentarily foiled by weaker, but more devious opponents was summed up well in the 'World of Cardboard' speech where he beats the holy hell out of Darkseid in a Justice League movie. Superman straight up exults that there is finally someone he can go all out on, because he knows Darkseid can take it. He gives him an absolute hiding. But it illuminates one of the things about Superman which make him, in my eyes, a bit more endearing - just because he does have these incredible abilities, he doesn't overuse them - in fact, he makes a habit of always using just enough of them. Its probably ingrained in him. He knows exactly how much harm and damage he can cause if he goes full gear, and its the Clark Kent in him - the shy, awkward, and nervous reporter who can't tell the girl he loves how he feels - that holds back the living god who fights back against unimaginable powers of destruction not because he can, but because he feels he must. But he restrains himself, because the more he does that, the less removed he becomes from the humanity he identifies himself with so strongly - and because he wants people to identify with him, and his humanity, rather than his omnipotence. Responsibility and living up to what people believe he should be is the overwhelming driving force in his existence, but being the last of his kind (nominally) means he is also lonely - so he tries to blend in. Because when you think about it, in truth, he has no reason to take on the Clark Kent persona, at all. He can exist as Superman 24 hours a day if he wants, who will argue with him? But he does, so he can be more human.

Its the character of Superman that I like, the burden he chose to take upon himself, which is enormous. Its easy to see the godlike figure and believe it is easy for him, but the human side of him - the actual character part, not the abilities and powers part - is the one doomed to an existence of heartache, battle and perpetual solitude, but he does it anyway - because that is what heroes, in his eyes, are supposed to do. A movie about him finally taking on that vast, unending responsibility, knowing exactly what it will cost him and how hard it is going to be, is hopefully what I will see in this film - and I'm looking forward to it.
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Auld » 23 Jul 12, 5:44 pm

Hmm good run down Nem. I've yet to see that portrayed well in a Superman movie though :/

This zod fella sounds like a good bad guy though, definitely want to see some serious smashing going on....need a Superman vs hulk or something. :lol:
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Ralph Wiggum » 23 Jul 12, 8:48 pm

I like how it says

"From
Zack Snyder

director of
Watchmen and 300"

Aww... no mention of Sucker Punch? :D
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Makena » 12 Dec 12, 9:11 am

Trailer 2

Maybe I'll finally actually like a Superman movie, as I can't say I've ever really thought they were anything that interesting.

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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby exe3 » 12 Dec 12, 9:45 am

I can't take it seriously whenever he's in the costume. :lol:
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Nemesis_22 » 12 Dec 12, 11:11 am

That shot of him on fire and not giving a damn about it was awesome to see.
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Ralph Wiggum » 12 Dec 12, 11:40 am

Well I'm impressed. The 'world does not embrace superheroes' thing reminds me of the Dark Knight trilogy and I wonder how much influence Christopher Nolan has.
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Nekosan » 13 Dec 12, 6:26 pm

I think it could be really good if they ignore having a real super villain and make it all about Clarke Kent growing up and coming to terms with what he is, lots of internal monologue, lots of two faced reactions from the public and make it almost like a film about PTSD, send it in the direction that Will Smith should have gone with "Hancock". I want to see the person inside supie coming to grips with small dashes of being the hero of the world and a lifetime of being joe everyman.

PTSD this **** up and it's Oscar/AA material.
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 13 Dec 12, 7:31 pm

Nekosan wrote:I think it could be really good if they ignore having a real super villain and make it all about Clarke Kent growing up and coming to terms with what he is, lots of internal monologue, lots of two faced reactions from the public and make it almost like a film about PTSD, send it in the direction that Will Smith should have gone with "Hancock". I want to see the person inside supie coming to grips with small dashes of being the hero of the world and a lifetime of being joe everyman.

PTSD this **** up and it's Oscar/AA material.

Well, Zod is the villain and he's a 'real super-villain'. Though I'm quite happy that they're using him, rather than Lex Luther. Since Zod is a Kryptonian too, you can really have Supes go all out in the fight scenes - because honestly, who doesn't want to see Superman punch the **** out of something lol. One of the problems I had with Superman Returns was that since the villain was Lex Luther who's a regular human, it was basically a movie about Superman lifting things...

However, it's also clearly going to be a story about Superman coming to grips with who he is. Pa Kent being conflicted over Clark wanting to do good, but also the need to protect his son from the world; Clark seemingly needing to find his isolation to prevent being overwhelmed by the world; a world that's not ready to accept Superman with the military taking him prisoner etc. I'm quite looking forward to it :)
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby nanorazor » 20 Jan 13, 10:12 pm

That Music Definitely grab me
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Re: Man of Steel (2013)

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 24 Jan 13, 3:14 pm

Interesting rumour: Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen may well be Superman's Pal Jenny Olsen in this film. Certainly some different choices are being made in the reboot. Perry White has already changed ethnicity - he's always been a white guy in the comics, but Laurence Fishbourne is playing him in the movie - but I think that's a complete non-issue (though the outrage in some places over the new Spider-Man being a black guy in Marvel's Ultimate universe was somewhat depressing).
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