Skyfall

[=beast=]

If 007 was just a code name. Then the new guy wouldn't been named James Bond... So what would this make the series? MI6 agent chronicles?

I'd much prefer to stick with James

[jmcev]

actually he would, it's still apart of the alias.

[diamondd]

also, to everyone having a little sook about James Bond (shadow and beast) possibly being black. do you realise the series makes infinitely more sense if James Bond/007 is just a codename, and the actual person changes all the time? with that it's extremely easy to see how a James Bond/007 could be black.

hardly, I always have and always will think of James Bond being the one man and that's exactly how its supposed to be. What you've suggested would make no sense at all in the context of any of the movies. It's quite clear throughout the series that James Bond is the same man.

[sifter132]

^I agree with you. The codename thing could be used as a way to 'sell' any changes they do make though - even if it isn't true/correct.

[skitzor]

If 007 was just a code name. Then the new guy wouldn't been named James Bond... So what would this make the series? MI6 agent chronicles?

I'd much prefer to stick with James

what? the top agent gets the designation 007 and the name James Bond. can you not see the reasons behind a spy agency doing this?

hardly, I always have and always will think of James Bond being the one man and that's exactly how its supposed to be. What you've suggested would make no sense at all in the context of any of the movies. It's quite clear throughout the series that James Bond is the same man.

yeah. because the fact that this one agent in a highly dangerous job has survived since the cold war to modern day, as well as changing looks regularly makes total sense. makes so much more sense than James Bond being a codename.

just have a little think about it. that might be a little difficult for some people, but I recommend you give it a shot.

[Auld]

Movies are an interpretation of books, theyre not necessarily a word for word copy.

As I am not a gushing James Bond fangirl (:D), I'd be fine with a black Bond. In fact it would probably be refreshing and new and get me to the cinemas to watch the film rather than waiting for DVD.

Its not like Daniel Craig is a typical film bond anyway, for a start he's pretty ugly and far more physical than previous Bonds.

[exe3]

The problem with the James Bond being a codename theory is that all the Bonds regardless of who's played them have been blatantly the same character. They've just been written that way. I mean every single bond generally acts and behaves the same way and it's a mighty fine coincidence all of them liking the exact same drink particularly wanting it shaken not stirred. Sure you can nitpick at differences but imo they're all within range of compensating for different actors mannerisms or slightly different styles as time has gone by.

yeah. because the fact that this one agent in a highly dangerous job has survived since the cold war to modern day, as well as changing looks regularly makes total sense. makes so much more sense than James Bond being a codename.

Do you also take issue with Marvel or DC comic superheroes being around for so long and not aging etc despite the world around them always reflecting the modern times?

[skitzor]

The problem with the James Bond being a codename theory is that all the Bonds regardless of who's played them have been blatantly the same character. They've just been written that way. I mean every single bond generally acts and behaves the same way and it's a mighty fine coincidence all of them liking the exact same drink particularly wanting it shaken not stirred. Sure you can nitpick at differences but imo they're all within range of compensating for different actors mannerisms or slightly different styles as time has gone by.

if you can't justify this within the confines of James Bond being a codename I feel sorry for your lack of imagination. but let me help you out. ignoring the fact that a person in a 007 position has to be a certain type of character, maybe it's just put on by the Bonds. maybe the first one is like that and they are just continuing the tradition. maybe MI6 unofficially ask them to be like that so they are larger than life. all the other spy agencies around the world are amazed by this 007 character who never seems to age and is always banging these hot babes. what a powerful propaganda tool.

also, in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace Bond doesn't have shaken not stirred. they even go out of their way in Casino Royale to say he doesn't give a ****.

thing is, it's relatively easy to explain all of the "problems" your "side" can come up with. how can you explain that a person in his position has been at the top of his game in a ridiculously dangerous profession for 40 years, changes appearance every few years and ages both backwards and forwards? all your little things about them being the same are minor league compared to that issue.

Do you also take issue with Marvel or DC comic superheroes being around for so long and not aging etc despite the world around them always reflecting the modern times?

I see that as a different situation. also, they are superheroes.

[Matty]

Whoa whoa, everybody hold up for a second..

Auld is a girl?

[Auld]

Whoa whoa, everybody hold up for a second..

Auld is a girl?

No. I was trying to emphasize the point that everyone is being a little butt hurt about this. It is easily a conversation that can take place with a little less rage and be interesting to both sides even if you don't agree.

As I wrote that sentence I did wonder who would read it that way.......and went with it anyway

[exe3]

if you can't justify this within the confines of James Bond being a codename I feel sorry for your lack of imagination. but let me help you out.

I can imagine the scenario just fine and maybe it'd make sense and technically fit without any major issues with conflicting canon but I doubt many would accept it because it clearly wasn't the original intention.

[diamondd]

hardly, I always have and always will think of James Bond being the one man and that's exactly how its supposed to be. What you've suggested would make no sense at all in the context of any of the movies. It's quite clear throughout the series that James Bond is the same man.

yeah. because the fact that this one agent in a highly dangerous job has survived since the cold war to modern day, as well as changing looks regularly makes total sense. makes so much more sense than James Bond being a codename.

just have a little think about it. that might be a little difficult for some people, but I recommend you give it a shot.

who cares about the time scale? If anyone is lacking imagination here its you.

there's a reason why Bond always knows Felix after Dr No, there's a reason why in a License to Kill, the refer to Bond's previous marriage in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and there's a reason why Casino Royale features Bond's first kill as a 00 and also happens to be a prequel.

I get your angle and why it would make sense at a certain level, but it completely flies in the face of the established story.

if you can't justify this within the confines of James Bond being a codename I feel sorry for your lack of imagination. but let me help you out. ignoring the fact that a person in a 007 position has to be a certain type of character, maybe it's just put on by the Bonds. maybe the first one is like that and they are just continuing the tradition. maybe MI6 unofficially ask them to be like that so they are larger than life. all the other spy agencies around the world are amazed by this 007 character who never seems to age and is always banging these hot babes. what a powerful propaganda tool.

lol, seriously how many Bond movies have you even seen?

thing is, it's relatively easy to explain all of the "problems" your "side" can come up with. how can you explain that a person in his position has been at the top of his game in a ridiculously dangerous profession for 40 years, changes appearance every few years and ages both backwards and forwards? all your little things about them being the same are minor league compared to that issue.

just because we've been getting Bond movies for 40 years doesn't mean Dr. No and Die Another Day occurred 40 years apart. This is Bond we're talking about anyway, not Jason Bourne. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were just try-hard copy cats next to the real Bond movies.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I think I've stumbled into the over-analytical part of the internet.

It's just a movie peoples. James Bond of all people.

[SaNE]

people.

Characters*

Sorry, had to.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Characters*

Sorry, had to.

I think I've stumbled into the over-analytical part of the internet.

I rest my case