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Re: Avengers

Unread postby exe3 » 1 Mar 12, 1:06 pm

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Drakand wrote:I would think of them both as more similar to Batman (who is considered a super-hero) in that they are humans who are incredibly highly skilled in various combat/warfare techniques.

I can see the argument but I can't help but feel it's an apples and oranges comparison not the least of which because they're Marvel and Batman's DC. The two universes have very different feels in general.

Also doesn't help that these two are pretty much completely unknown unless you've read the comics which I think is contributing to them feeling like outsiders.
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Bicketybam » 1 Mar 12, 1:27 pm

Drakand wrote:I would think of them both as more similar to Batman (who is considered a super-hero) in that they are humans who are incredibly highly skilled in various combat/warfare techniques.

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Plus in most military/assassin squads you would have your different specialists. Both Hawkeye and Black Widow I would say are going to be things like the Weapon specialists and also the "stealth" side of the Avengers.

I would imagine that while Iron Man is dancing around in front of you, you don't hear Black Widow come in behind you. :wink:

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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Cas Bitton » 1 Mar 12, 1:29 pm

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Drakand wrote:I would think of them both as more similar to Batman (who is considered a super-hero) in that they are humans who are incredibly highly skilled in various combat/warfare techniques.

I can see the argument but I can't help but feel it's an apples and oranges comparison not the least of which because they're Marvel and Batman's DC. The two universes have very different feels in general.


I'm pretty certain Drakand's point was Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne are both: Rich and smart

They don't actually have "magical powers" aside from being extraordinary in comparison to regular people, thanks to their technology and perfected skills.
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby exe3 » 1 Mar 12, 2:02 pm

I'm pretty sure he was referring to archer and the girl in comparison to Batman in that yes they don't have magical powers but are highly skilled in what they can do. I'm trying to ask on what makes them unique? Anybody can be an archer or stealth person, not anyone can be a billionaire playboy philanthropist who made a suit of armor that can make him fly and shoot lasers.
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Drakand » 1 Mar 12, 2:26 pm

I was actually referring to Hawkeye (archer) and Black Widow (chick) but the comparison between Batman and Tony Stark works better.

I come from a comic perspective in which, following Avengers storylines, both characters are fairly strongly represented, however if someone has only watched the Marvel films then these two characters are probably going to seem tacked on, however I think the film will really show these characters off as being fairly integral, they just may not be as flash bang as the others :)

Hawkeye has a 'superhuman' sense of accuracy (often goes against Bullseye, bad guy from Daredevil movie played by Colin Farrell) and shoots a variety of modified arrows (shoot out nets, explosive head, electric charge, used to hold rople line) but acts as support to the other superheroes. He can be very stealth, is a bit of a commando and often is used in the more low key battles that don't need to be hulked.

Black Widow is like covert ops special agent. In the comics you never really know who's side she is on at any particular time, has little poison pellets in her wrist band (poison like a Black Widow) and is very good at infiltration. We know Loki is in the film, assuming there are some more human bad guys or superhuman bad guys, these two will both be involved in the fighting. They've both (in the comics) assisted to take out Hulk and various other oppoenents.

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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 1 Mar 12, 3:57 pm

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Drakand wrote:I would think of them both as more similar to Batman (who is considered a super-hero) in that they are humans who are incredibly highly skilled in various combat/warfare techniques.

I can see the argument but I can't help but feel it's an apples and oranges comparison not the least of which because they're Marvel and Batman's DC. The two universes have very different feels in general.

Batman is a core part of the Justice League in the DC Universe. This is the team that has Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash and Green Lantern among others. Superman and Wonder Woman are all but invulnerable, The Flash can move faster than not only the speed of light but also bend Space/Time and a Green Lantern wields literally the most powerful weapon in the universe. Yet Batman is most definitely capable of holding his own and is generally considered able to consistently 'defeat' pretty much everyone bar Superman and Wonder Woman, who he's on par with.

I think the appeal of having 'normal' humans on a team of Super-powered heroes is the fantasy of being able to succeed even in spite of being a mere human. Most of these characters grew out of the Silver Age of comics (late 1950's to early 1970's) where pure escapist fantasy fun was the main focus of Superhero comics. Kids reading those comics wanted to believe they could be as good as Batman or Ironman and be worthy of the company of Superman or Wonder Woman or Thor.
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 1 Mar 12, 4:01 pm

Drakand wrote:Hawkeye has a 'superhuman' sense of accuracy (often goes against Bullseye, bad guy from Daredevil movie played by Colin Farrell) and shoots a variety of modified arrows (shoot out nets, explosive head, electric charge, used to hold rople line) but acts as support to the other superheroes. He can be very stealth, is a bit of a commando and often is used in the more low key battles that don't need to be hulked.

Hawkeye is a lame Green Arrow (without a cool goatee either) who cosplays as the Huntress. DC for life, yo :P

Movie still looks good though. Hopefully it will light a fire under Warner Bros. to get some more DC characters into movies. A Justice League movie would be :drool:
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby exe3 » 1 Mar 12, 4:21 pm

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Drakand wrote:I would think of them both as more similar to Batman (who is considered a super-hero) in that they are humans who are incredibly highly skilled in various combat/warfare techniques.

I can see the argument but I can't help but feel it's an apples and oranges comparison not the least of which because they're Marvel and Batman's DC. The two universes have very different feels in general.

Batman is a core part of the Justice League in the DC Universe. This is the team that has Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash and Green Lantern among others. Superman and Wonder Woman are all but invulnerable, The Flash can move faster than not only the speed of light but also bend Space/Time and a Green Lantern wields literally the most powerful weapon in the universe. Yet Batman is most definitely capable of holding his own and is generally considered able to consistently 'defeat' pretty much everyone bar Superman and Wonder Woman, who he's on par with.

Which is why i'm generally thinking atm it's more a case of how 'unknown' they are.
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Drakand » 2 Mar 12, 10:28 am

and that I can definately agree with mate, i'm working from a knowing both characters perspective as I said.

I think you'll probably find they'll both have some kickass bits in the film however I also feel that part of the reason for their inclusion in the film (apart from Scarlett's attributes) is that every film needs its lower tier characters cause it can't be all big names, all shine every single scene. Looking at the other characters/big names amassed for the film, these two are the secondary's and support.

Agent_Dark wrote:Hawkeye is a lame Green Arrow (without a cool goatee either) who cosplays as the Huntress. DC for life, yo :P

Movie still looks good though. Hopefully it will light a fire under Warner Bros. to get some more DC characters into movies. A Justice League movie would be :drool:


I honestly don't know enough about DC to argue it ;D I'm a Marvel fan, its the primary group i've gone with, I like DC, love some of their characters (Joker/Lobo FTW) but don't know enough history to compare....which from your Silver Age reference, you most likely do :)

I'm just happy that comic films are no longer a laughing stock, they are a main force and (apart from some exceptions) seem to get stronger as they progress, DC or Marvel!
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Agent_Dark » 2 Mar 12, 11:32 am

Drakand wrote:
Agent_Dark wrote:Hawkeye is a lame Green Arrow (without a cool goatee either) who cosplays as the Huntress. DC for life, yo :P

Movie still looks good though. Hopefully it will light a fire under Warner Bros. to get some more DC characters into movies. A Justice League movie would be :drool:


I honestly don't know enough about DC to argue it ;D I'm a Marvel fan, its the primary group i've gone with, I like DC, love some of their characters (Joker/Lobo FTW) but don't know enough history to compare....which from your Silver Age reference, you most likely do :)

I'm just happy that comic films are no longer a laughing stock, they are a main force and (apart from some exceptions) seem to get stronger as they progress, DC or Marvel!

Heh, the Silver Age happened a good 20-30years before I was born lol. Wikipedia helps immensely when looking up the past history of characters. Especially when they go back to the 30s and 40s like some of the DC characters.
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Drakand » 2 Mar 12, 11:41 am

Wikipedia is sweet. I meant more that you are using the terminology at all, having looked those details up....i hear about it, know of its presence but don't pay much attention to it. I just enjoy the comics/movies :D
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby FryzieDelta » 2 Mar 12, 2:51 pm

exe3 wrote:Anybody can be an archer or stealth person


I think the point is that they are extraordinarily skilled in their specialised fields. I could be an archer, doesn't mean I could hit the broad side of a barn from the inside though. I could be a stealth person, doesn't mean I could steal a blind mans sunnies.
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Drakand » 2 Mar 12, 5:24 pm

FryzieDelta wrote:
exe3 wrote:Anybody can be an archer or stealth person


I think the point is that they are extraordinarily skilled in their specialised fields. I could be an archer, doesn't mean I could hit the broad side of a barn from the inside though. I could be a stealth person, doesn't mean I could steal a blind mans sunnies.


i know i couldn't :?
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Wyld » 3 Mar 12, 9:21 pm

Cas Bitton wrote:I'm pretty certain Drakand's point was Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne are both: Rich and smart

They don't actually have "magical powers" aside from being extraordinary in comparison to regular people, thanks to their technology and perfected skills.

Stark has a super power. It's called Invent New Laws of Physics ;)
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Re: Avengers

Unread postby Yurtles » 26 Apr 12, 4:40 pm

Went and saw this today, I enjoyed it. If you liked watching the "prequels" you'll like this, it's more of the same. Which is a damn fine achievement I think considering all the characters Joss had to juggle.
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