It’s not your fault if you pirate movies, says Village Roadshow — it’s your ISP’s fault (yes, really)

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By on June 26, 2014 at 5:19 pm

Village Roadshow co-CEO Graham Burke has used an interview with CNET Australia to outline his stunning vision of a completely backwards world in which you, the user, are somehow completely free from blame if you pirate a movie or TV show.

So whose fault is it, then? It’s your ISP’s fault, says Burke.

“iiNet are selling a car which happens to kill people on the roads, so they should be paying towards that,” said Burke, electing to use a metaphor which made literally zero sense and had no relation to how the world actually works.

“It’s the car that’s faulty. In this instance it’s the fault of the car, not the driver.”

Describing iiNet’s recent very reasonable and accurate summary of the problem with piracy in Australia as “lies”, Burke claimed that iiNet’s COO Steve Dalby was “continuing to distort the picture when he clearly knows otherwise”.

Burke’s allegations are despite the reality that ISPs, like iiNet, actually lose money the more users download, making it farcical to suggest that ISPs somehow enjoy or profit from illegal actions of their users.

iiNet has a strong, open and very reasonable position on piracy: we don’t want you to do it. In 2012, Village Roadshow and other companies in the AFACT partnership were defeated in court by iiNet, establishing in law that users were responsible for what they did with their internet connections.

You know, like how drivers are legally responsible for what they do with their cars, not car manufacturers.

This latest claim comes as the government is consulting with bodies like Village Roadshow about new “three strikes” piracy laws, which we here at iiNet have warned are not going to work and will cost millions.

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so if i were to reply to this insanity, i would say to him, then why are you (hollywood companies) going after the users in usa that downloaded the songs / movies and making them pay, if its the…
infact nah forget it, this is too stoopid to even reply to

 
 
Universal_Traitor

Graham Burke, a dangerously insane human being.

 

Using the car analogy, can’t you say the blame really lies with the people who make the roads? (village roadshow)
I’m a good driver, my car(isp) is full of safety features encouraging me to be a safe driver. Your road is just so terrible that any normal person can’t help but get into accidents (pirate)

 

‘You wouldn’t download a car’ etc. These guys are batshit for internet cars it seems.

 
 
Lord_PorkSword

“You wouldn’t download a…” ahh beaten to it. :(

“But your ISP would download that car for you!” (sorry guys…that’s the best I could come up with..) :x

I would like to say I’m surprised by this view from Graham and the stupidity of it…but after having a manger of mine today compare my responsibilities of having children being the equivalent to someone who just owns a dog leaves me not surprised by any other nonsense I may read for the rest of today…

 

I would say to him “Business, you’re doing it wrong” pathetic “wah my business model is clearly unsustainable in it’s current form but rather than put in any work for ourselves to win our clearly-eager potential-customers over I’m going to whinge about infrastructure that would support our business, supports other businesses, and is the most direct means to reach the vast majority of our potential customer base”… I would LOVE to see these companies cave in, it’s beyond pathetic.

So here’s my COMPLETELY unrelated scenario like his car wreck maybe we should sue Employment agencies?:

“wah I can’t find a job”
“did you apply for one?”
“no, but that nobody over there got one and I want to sue”

Valve had to go to great lengths to placate users about DRM, hell even EA is starting to drop sales items on Origin, it might be a little late in the game but they’re seeing it too, offer a little bit and go a mile, people aren’t unreasonable provided there’s something in it for them and availability goes a hell of a long way.

These top heavy private corporations running to the government garbage, every time people bypass their draconian, out dated and unreasonable business models is singularly the most nonsensical crap I’ve ever seen in my life, if your consumer is “stealing” from you the chances are your business practices are at fault, there’s OBVIOUSLY a market there to win over why not come half way and HOLY**** find the vast majority of us are sated with being able to get access to content in a timely and affordable fashion.

I’m sorry, I’m so so sorry! I forgot to take my anti-sensible pills today, all this logic is totally ruining my hair.

 

Huh. He thinks that by not blaming the consumers he can avoid the core argument of why piracy exists.

 

hellbender,

this gif should be retired now, there will never be another moment more suited for it.

 

I used to be a big PC video game pirate because there was no way I could legally purchase them. (I had no EB Games+Kmart until only a couple years ago, so brick and mortar was always out of the question.)

Then this thing called Steam arrived, it made ALL the games far more accessible, made ALL my games far more convenient to access and play… And made ALL my game purchases cheaper.

In the end, almost exceeding a library of 500+ games, I haven’t had the desire to once pirate a PC game in years.

This needs to happen with movies and TV shows.

They need to bring more convenience (Stop bogging your crap down with useless DRM line Cinevia which does nothing but become a nuisance to those who pay your stinkin’ bills.)
And have them all in one place, on release day.

Then they need to price them fairly, no one wants to pay $100 month for one stinking TV show. (Aka. Foxtel for Game of Thrones.)

Do that, then you get my hard earned money. – Until then… deal with it.

 
 

iiNET you do not lose money when we use our bandwidth, you pay for a connection. You make the exact same amount of money if I download 1 mb if I download the full quota i have of 250Gig…stop spreading the lie that you lose money when we download large amounts, no wonder yourt losing people to TPG who are offering unlimited data (which according to you would be bankrupt – but they aren’t)

 

These comments perfectly exemplify how totally and completely out of touch with reality these companies (movie / tv studios) are.

 

iiNET you do not lose money when we use our bandwidth, you pay for a connection. You make the exact same amount of money if I download 1 mb if I download the full quota i have of 250Gig…stop spreading the lie that you lose money when we download large amounts, no wonder yourt losing people to TPG who are offering unlimited data (which according to you would be bankrupt – but they aren’t)

iiNet’s connections to the rest of the Internet cost money too.

 

lexxbomb,

Uhhh, no. Read up on how ISPs create their plan structure. It’s based on the assumption that the majority do not use all of their quota. Effectively, those that don’t use a lot of quota are subsidising the relatively few heavy users.

 
 

shuth: Read up on how ISPs create their plan structure. It’s based on the assumption that the majority do not use all of their quota. Effectively, those that don’t use a lot of quota are subsidising the relatively few heavy users.

This is exactly correct, and speaking with regards to places like TPG, the reality is that most users on “unlimited” plans download quite acceptable amounts — if they didn’t, then TPG would go broke.

Here’s what our COO had to say about it:

In fact, the more our customers download data, the less money we make. On average, our customers use approximately 20 per cent of their monthly download quota. Customers who torrent new release movies or TV shows use closer to 100% of their limit and the inescapable fact remains that the more quota our customers use, the more it costs us to share that data. Content providers love to portray ISPs as the beneficiaries of piracy, but it’s a dishonest image that they portray.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. Ahh good satire article Tim, you really had me there for a minute… What ? It’s not satire ?
So someone actually thinks people that sell perfectly functional cars should have to pay damages when someone drives that car into someone and kills them. I guess Jack Daniels should pay child support for all those children born under the influence of its product ?

The overwhelming stupidity of media giants never ceases to amaze me.

lexxbomb: iiNET you do not lose money when we use our bandwidth,

I’m guessing you run a successful ISP and have a significant amount of data from your tremendously successful ISP to back up your claims.

lordapophis: In the end, almost exceeding a library of 500+ games, I haven’t had the desire to once pirate a PC game in years.

I know so many people like this, myself among them… I could never afford much when I was going to high school, my parents were struggling pretty badly so other than bargain bin games and a subscription to WoW a friend was paying for I didn’t get much, then Steam started its amazing sales, didn’t pirate from about the second steam sale right up till now.

 

piracy offers better service, gotta change with the times. too bad australia is at least 5 years behind the rest of the world

 
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