DayZ maker Dean “Rocket” Hall says the standalone game isn’t worth it

DayZ

By on December 20, 2013 at 7:46 am

Value is an odd proposition for gamers. We’re already accustomed to paying for incomplete products at retail, but now it’s become perfectly acceptable, almost expected, for gamers to help chip in when development hasn’t even finished. But the question still remains – is it worth buying into a game that’s in an alpha or beta stage?

The answer, you’d think, is not always. And according to Dean Hall, the New Zealand designer behind the DayZ mod for ArmA 2, the standalone version of DayZ that hit Steam this week isn’t worth it quite yet either. In a post on the DayZ forums, Hall, under his alias “Rocket”, responded to a fairly simple query – “Is it worth buying DayZ standalone yet or should I wait for it to mature so it’s less buggy and more playable?” – with an intriguing reply.

“For the current game? No,” Hall wrote. “For the price? No (it will stay this price for some time) … to see the game? No (you can watch streams) … to participate in development? Possibly. Overall, I would not recommend it. But I think in a few weeks, it might go from “possible” to “yes” on the last one.”

It’s refreshing to see a developer be honest, although the game has booked several million dollars in sales already so it’s a little bit easier from his perspective. Nevertheless, it beats the usual upbeat lines we expect developers to trot out.

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It’s much easier to come out and say it’s a bug ridden mess, you can participate but don’t expect much.

That way if people still throw money at you at least they were warned and what are they really going to do? demand a refund for the state of the game, it’s clearly stated on the Steam entry and by Hall himself.

Lets face it with the original mod most of us enjoyed the rather bug ridden mess it was. The beauty of the game was in the tension and the terror of human contact.

What screwed it all though was the hackers.

 
Nasty Wet Smear

Must take the wind out of the sails of people who would have said “No way” to have the games creator beat them to the punch… Still, a very confusing sales pitch.

Still no single player?

 

He says that because there are too many morons buying it then Complaing about it being bugged. Look at their forums, its hilarious.

Also dean hall has an unfortunate accent that sounds Australian. Yet he says he’s a New Zealander.

And I forgot what mod it was but there was a complete overhaul of the dayz mod with its own client and everything. But if you had hacked once at all in arma2 or dayZ you would be automatically perma banned from the mod.

And the dayZ standalone is already better in my mind than the mod. Less guns is a good thing but I’m sure that’ll change. Theres currently no vehicles. That’s really the only downside gameplay wise. But they too will come back. And the inventory system is great. Being a bandit and randomly killing people is discouraged. I was got ambushed by a dude with an axe. I had a pip wrench with is a shorter weapons and you bleed less. We bet the crap out if each other and I died. I spawn close by and found that the guy who attacked me passed out while bandaging. And most of out stuff was ruined. So we both lost stuff. The item damage system isn’t fully implemented. But it pays off more to rob or work together instead of try and kill someone which could result in your death or if you survive some of your stuff will be Broken as well as the stuff on your victim. Have a microphone for this game and make friends. Or find a gun and rob someone. I robbed someone with an empty gun. I was dying of thirst and this guy didn’t give me a drink when I asked. Pointing a gun to the head worked and I also got ammo for the gun I had. I only took the ammo and some supplies and told him to grab his stuff and run off again.

The price is gonna go up probably by release. So buy it now and don’t play it for a while. Think of it as a preorder.

 

I sucked it up and bought it. Runs quite well to be honest. Feels like the early days of the mod where no one knew what they were doing and everyone’s in the same boat. I’ve had a couple of good experiences so far. But man, it’s tough to find loot. And zombies are very few and far between.

 

lemonater47: He says that because there are too many morons buying it then Complaing about it being bugged. Look at their forums, its hilarious.

That and because after 12 months of development it is actually worse than the mod…
Hall is saying this because it’s pretty clear this was a decision from Bohemia not him. Don’t get me wrong I think this was the right decision they had to release something just surprised it’s not working at-least on par with the mod/community mods.

nastywetsmear: Still no single player?

Nope … at some point you’ll be able to host your own single-player server though … however unless they add in crafting (buildings) like some community mods have I don’t see there being any real point as it would get pretty boring pretty quick … unless you added in bots.

 

He was clear from the outset what early buyers were getting.

He really seems to be going out of his way not to fool anyone into thinking the game is anything more than it is.

It definitely is a refreshing approach compared to…well, you know – most of the rest of the industry.

I hope the candor continues.

 

Zombie spawning is different. Its actually possible to wipe all zombies from an area. They don’t consistently spawn. Which is why zombies are more rare. They have far better pathfinding and the hiding in a bush technique doesn’t work. But their attacks are slower. And they have different behaviours. Some will see you from miles away and sprint towards you. Some will just shamble over to you. Others don’t give a crap about anything you can sprint right past some and they won’t go for you. Though zombies usually aren’t alone and he will has buddies that will go after you. Also blunt weapons suck against zombies. Best to find a sharp melee weapon. Took like ten hits with a pipe wrench to kill one zombie but an axe killed another in 2.

Fire stations have good clothing loot. Its all military gear. Though hard to find a gun in there. And if you do it probably doesn’t have ammo. But you would probably find a chest holster in there. If you out a pistole in the chest holder it shows on your character model which is cool. But you can put whatever can fit in there if you want for added realism. You might find a military jacket or a bunch of chest pouches as well. In all fire stations I’ve been in there has at least been chest holsters. But if you want to store more stuff to to a fire station and see what you find. Less people to there these days as there’s a far lower chance if finding a gun that works. I also found a load of walkie talkies. Don’t know how to use them. But they have also been in every fire stations I’ve been in. Usually more than one. And once I found military rations so you can find food maybe even water in there as well. To find proper weapons best to go north. I haven’t actually been to any airfields at all yet. No vehicles in game yet so hard to travel to places. I don’t know what loot you will find in airfields. But I’ve seen a friendly dude with an M4 though I didn’t ask where he got it from. It was a quick meeting and exchange of supplies and we were off again. That’s sort of thing happens too. People with guns are unlikely to kill you. They might rob you though and even handcuff you. I found handcuff keys but no handcuffs.

spooler: That and because after 12 months of development it is actually worse than the mod…
Hall is saying this because it’s pretty clear this was a decision from Bohemia not him. Don’t get me wrong I think this was the right decision they had to release something just surprised it’s not working at-least on par with the mod/community mods.

Bohemia’s decision? So you are saying the tens of thousands of people begging for the standalone for a year had nothing to do with it.

Its better in many ways. Its just featureless at the moment is all. Movement is way smoother Inventory is better looting is better the new features that are in are really good. My only problem at he moment is the lack of vehicles. There isn’t any in this build. Means getting to places takes a lot if walking and your dude is close to passing out when you get there.

People just need to cut the negativity and abuse against them. Its gonna take another year to get it to where they want it to be.

 

I didn’t really play the mod that much, and I only vaguely follow the DayZ news, but didn’t Rocket say “yeah, we’d like to have the stand-alone out before competitors come in” – and that was around the time of The War Z – and that was ages ago.

What happened to the schedule, and how did he address that?

 

DayZ has never been “worth it”. It has always been a bug-ridden mess.

 

I hear there are already hacks available.
Not going to bother buying into the game until its in a much better state and people report that its better then the free mods out there already.

also not buying in if it ends up as hacked as the mod.

 

bigapps:
DayZ has never been “worth it”. It has always been a bug-ridden mess.

Was $0 a bit too much for what you got?

 

schrapple: Was $0 a bit too much for what you got?

^ this lol

 
Nasty Wet Smear

spooler:
Nope … at some point you’ll be able to host your own single-player server though … however unless they add in crafting (buildings) like some community mods have I don’t see there being any real point as it would get pretty boring pretty quick … unless you added in bots.

Shame. The survival aspect of this game has always been great… Timed need for food and water, sickness, cold, bleeding… All it needed was some good zombie enemies and decent zombie AI and it would have made a great single player survival game.

By decent AI, I mean they need to make up their mind as to if or not zombies can sense you, while facing the opposite direction, 300 feet away, on the other side of a building while you are prone and not moving, or if you can crawl past them and tie their shoe laces together.

 

nastywetsmear,

That could be a very useful tactic.

nastywetsmear: Shame. The survival aspect of this game has always been great… Timed need for food and water, sickness, cold, bleeding… All it needed was some good zombie enemies and decent zombie AI and it would have made a great single player survival game.

By decent AI, I mean they need to make up their mind as to if or not zombies can sense you, while facing the opposite direction, 300 feet away, on the other side of a building while you are prone and not moving, or if you can crawl past them and tie their shoe laces together.

 
charliebrownau

For a mod from Arma 3 I dont find it worth US$30
Im not that big into Zombie games

Wasnt this apparently meant to be US$5 to US$10
whats the deal with the price hike ??

 

One of the most popular games on steam at the moment and its not even on sale lol.

 
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