EVE players demand greater transparency after billions of ISK confiscated from alleged botter

EVE Online

EVE players have taken to their forums to demand greater transparency after CCP banned an unnamed player for allegedly using bots to manipulate the marketplace.

The player, whose actual name has not been revealed but is referred to as ‘John’ in the discussion, was accused of using bots by CCP and temporarily banned. John escalated the ban process but was denied at all levels, and upon his ban expiring he then proceeded to donate 317 billion ISK to EVE University and quit the game. CCP then confiscated that ISK after EVE University asked them to make sure it was okay to receive the donation.

The incident has sparked calls by EVE University CEO Kelduum Revaan for greater oversight into the evidence that CCP uses to determine if a player is botting, something he strenuously denies John was ever a part of. Instead, Revaan claims that John used a variety of custom tools including custom in-game browser pages that enabled him to “update around 30 orders a minute for 10-20 minutes at a time”.

For their part, CCP have strongly and repeatedly refused claims to provide server logs and other data they use to make banning decisions, and insisted that the appeal process has gone all the way up to their CEO — from which there is no higher authority.

“John was botting. That is not even close to in dispute,” writes CCP Sreegs. “We committed an error in not removing the ISK before it got to EVE-U. However we did rectify this problem and our logs show that it was discussed and approved prior to either them receiving the isk or petitioning. We apologized to EVE-U however the petition was escalated as high as it could be and the decision remained. We cannot typically share this information with them as it’s really none of their business.”

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Source: Destructoid

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I don’t think I’ll ever play this game. Looks like I don’t need to as most of the drama and excitement surrounding Eve Online seems to occur outside the game anyhow. Wonder if I can just join the Eve Online forums, looks like it could be just as much fun and no cost as well. :P

 

EVE Online is a game that’s fun to read about but terrible to be a part of.

 

I really don’t know if 317 billion ISK is a significant amount and I have no idea what EVE University is, but the fact it has a CEO is weird regardless.

If CCP is going to get all “real life” as they seem to like to with their game I don’t think what the players are demanding is all that unreasonable either. If anything’s fair game apart from a few things “because they say so” then they need to be really clear about what’s going on there.

 

yurtles,

317 billion is a HUGE amount of money, able to buy at least 3 titans (biggest ship in the game), or roughly 50 years worth of time cards.

A CEO position is the equivalent of a guild leader

 

mrmessy,

Cheers, that makes things a lot, lot clearer.

 

yurtles:
I really don’t know if 317 billion ISK is a significant amount and I have no idea what EVE University is, but the fact it has a CEO is weird regardless.

If CCP is going to get all “real life” as they seem to like to with their game I don’t think what the players are demanding is all that unreasonable either. If anything’s fair game apart from a few things “because they say so” then they need to be really clear about what’s going on there.

This is kinda the reason why people got so pissed at CCP for the Monocle thing. Not enough transparency.. treating players like they’re idiots ect. This is kinda why I gave up on the game. CCP are dickheads. The politics outside of the game ruined the politics inside of the game.

 

He was botting, they probably were too and they’re butthurt he was banned. This kind of stuff is part of why MMO’s need to develop a good UI and then lock it down so there’s zero modding.

 

yurtles:
I really don’t know if 317 billion ISK is a significant amount and I have no idea what EVE University is, but the fact it has a CEO is weird regardless.

If CCP is going to get all “real life” as they seem to like to with their game I don’t think what the players are demanding is all that unreasonable either. If anything’s fair game apart from a few things “because they say so” then they need to be really clear about what’s going on there.

EvE Uni is a great little place to teach players the ropes of the game at most levels, last time i was playing they had a huge lineup to get into their classes.

Only reason i’m not playing anymore is that i don’t have the time to keep upto date on all the ships like i used to, if i played in a group it’d be easier but solo you need to spend alot of time researching and knowing fitouts of most ships to be effective.

 

At the current rate of 680 million isk per plex that equates to USD$9300 of real world value for the confiscated isk.

Also if people aren’t interested in playing EVE but still want to follow the stories and drama this website is excellent:

http://themittani.com/

I play EVE every day. It’s a great MMO and certainly better than all the other MMO’s which are effectively FarmVille clones. For newcomers the big mistake they make in EVE is taking it personally when someone blows up their spaceship.

When new players come to the realisation their ship is simply an ingame consumable taking losses is no big deal and they will enjoy EVE a lot more.

 
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