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		<title>By: earlygrayce</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlygrayce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am using my DVD drive at the moment but that is only because I am a pensioner living in poverty and could&#039;t afford to spend the $15.00 to buy Crysis on Steam exactly when I wanted to install it.
Otherwise I would be playing it without a disc at all.
I have bought some older games multiple times because I first bought them on a physical medium and later found them on sale at steam so I wouldn&#039;t have to use a disc anymore.
I hate scratched discs so an optical media free world suits me fine. I have 2 copies of Forza3 because I scratched one but the good news is I install from the good disc and authenticate from the scratched one so can play multiplayer at home with friends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am using my DVD drive at the moment but that is only because I am a pensioner living in poverty and could&#8217;t afford to spend the $15.00 to buy Crysis on Steam exactly when I wanted to install it.<br />
Otherwise I would be playing it without a disc at all.<br />
I have bought some older games multiple times because I first bought them on a physical medium and later found them on sale at steam so I wouldn&#8217;t have to use a disc anymore.<br />
I hate scratched discs so an optical media free world suits me fine. I have 2 copies of Forza3 because I scratched one but the good news is I install from the good disc and authenticate from the scratched one so can play multiplayer at home with friends.</p>
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		<title>By: trixxter</title>
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		<dc:creator>trixxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose thats another issue Australia wise; our internet is still overpriced and low DL speed in a good 80% of the country as opposed to say Europe and US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose thats another issue Australia wise; our internet is still overpriced and low DL speed in a good 80% of the country as opposed to say Europe and US.</p>
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		<title>By: nanorazor</title>
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		<dc:creator>nanorazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;storm&#056;&#052;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

Well this might encourage more content though... having space for extra content or even better texture. I Just wanted to say that Blu ray will still replace DVD as games like Shogun 2 have huge files (2 disc and 10gb Directx update). and also used Steam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-18253" rel="nofollow">storm&#056;&#052;</a></strong>, </p>
<p>Well this might encourage more content though&#8230; having space for extra content or even better texture. I Just wanted to say that Blu ray will still replace DVD as games like Shogun 2 have huge files (2 disc and 10gb Directx update). and also used Steam.</p>
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		<title>By: PinothyJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PinothyJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is unfortunate that Cyanworlds killed their own franchise (Myst) with Myst V, otherwise you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be responsible for the first Bluray exclusive. Cyan were the first company to release a game exclusively on CD (Myst) and they were the first to do so for DVD (Myst III: Exile) so it is a pity they went and made a realtime 3D Myst and ruin the whole thing for everyone.

Bring on Bluray…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate that Cyanworlds killed their own franchise (Myst) with Myst V, otherwise you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be responsible for the first Bluray exclusive. Cyan were the first company to release a game exclusively on CD (Myst) and they were the first to do so for DVD (Myst III: Exile) so it is a pity they went and made a realtime 3D Myst and ruin the whole thing for everyone.</p>
<p>Bring on Bluray…</p>
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		<title>By: hellboy1975</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellboy1975</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-18088&quot;&gt;


Must be nice to live in Fantasytown, but the mean Aussie Internet connection speed as at Q4 2012 was 4.4Mbps. There are many more people with &lt;4.4Mbps connections than those with faster connections. Consider if you will those poor souls such as myself who are stuck with less than half that, and most of them won&#039;t see anything better for 10 years.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sounds like we&#039;re in the same boat - I&#039;m lucky to get 1.5Mbps, but I don&#039;t have any problem downloading games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="comment-18088">
<p>Must be nice to live in Fantasytown, but the mean Aussie Internet connection speed as at Q4 2012 was 4.4Mbps. There are many more people with &lt;4.4Mbps connections than those with faster connections. Consider if you will those poor souls such as myself who are stuck with less than half that, and most of them won&#8217;t see anything better for 10 years.</p>
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<p>Sounds like we&#8217;re in the same boat &#8211; I&#8217;m lucky to get 1.5Mbps, but I don&#8217;t have any problem downloading games.</p>
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		<title>By: PalZer0</title>
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		<dc:creator>PalZer0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something people also like to do is leave an installation going while they do something else. Blu-ray makes this easier too as the installation doesn&#039;t stall while it&#039;s waiting for the next disc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something people also like to do is leave an installation going while they do something else. Blu-ray makes this easier too as the installation doesn&#8217;t stall while it&#8217;s waiting for the next disc.</p>
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		<title>By: storm84</title>
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		<dc:creator>storm84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18221&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nanorazor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 
How is switching disks &quot;work&quot;? At best, it&#039;s a mild inconvenience. But things install so quickly these days that it hardly matters anyway. And that&#039;s the point, there&#039;s no real advantage in switching from DVD to blu-ray in the same way there was CD to DVD, or floppy to CD. I still have my copy of Diablo II on three CDs, and remember having to make a choice between running the cinematics from a separate disk to the play disk, or filling up what was a very limited HDD in order to avoid that. These days we have large hard-drives with no need for the disks other than as installation. Of course, that&#039;s nothing compared to when I was a youngster swapping in and out floppy disks while the game was still playing. Only one disk that isn&#039;t even needed during gameplay? As the Four Yorkshiremen might say: &quot;Luxury!&quot;

I&#039;m pretty sure you&#039;ll get your physical manuals whether or not your game comes on 3 DVDs or one blu-ray.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-18221" rel="nofollow">nanorazor</a></strong>,<br />
How is switching disks &#8220;work&#8221;? At best, it&#8217;s a mild inconvenience. But things install so quickly these days that it hardly matters anyway. And that&#8217;s the point, there&#8217;s no real advantage in switching from DVD to blu-ray in the same way there was CD to DVD, or floppy to CD. I still have my copy of Diablo II on three CDs, and remember having to make a choice between running the cinematics from a separate disk to the play disk, or filling up what was a very limited HDD in order to avoid that. These days we have large hard-drives with no need for the disks other than as installation. Of course, that&#8217;s nothing compared to when I was a youngster swapping in and out floppy disks while the game was still playing. Only one disk that isn&#8217;t even needed during gameplay? As the Four Yorkshiremen might say: &#8220;Luxury!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you&#8217;ll get your physical manuals whether or not your game comes on 3 DVDs or one blu-ray.</p>
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		<title>By: nanorazor</title>
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		<dc:creator>nanorazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18216&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;storm&#056;&#052;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 
 Calling people lazy is not reasonable as gaming shouldn&#039;t be like work at all. Well if you call inserting one disk is lazy than the digital way of not inserting any disc at all is even lazier. If blu ray does become standard it would cheaper to make them because of larger production which why Games would cost the same if it had blu ray. Am I the only person that like physical game manuals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-18216" rel="nofollow">storm&#056;&#052;</a></strong>,<br />
 Calling people lazy is not reasonable as gaming shouldn&#8217;t be like work at all. Well if you call inserting one disk is lazy than the digital way of not inserting any disc at all is even lazier. If blu ray does become standard it would cheaper to make them because of larger production which why Games would cost the same if it had blu ray. Am I the only person that like physical game manuals.</p>
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		<title>By: slipoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>slipoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is a place for this in certain situations

Remember when you could play tex murphy over 7 cds?

Being 50gb (theoretical was at 400gb last I heard) the blu-ray definitely has a place in the pc gaming world, when all our textures are 1024 at low res (2048 as std) and EVERY character in a game has a unique high def voice, when we are using big data crunching for our 3d engine (see http://www.euclideon.com/ and watch the vids) our sizes of our games will expand especially with increased details et al. if we use uncompressed (or very little compression) for hd video that space gets chewed up very quickly. 

I think it&#039;s definitely an option until high capacity flash (100gb or over) becomes feasible, thank goodness hd-dvd didn&#039;t make any impact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a place for this in certain situations</p>
<p>Remember when you could play tex murphy over 7 cds?</p>
<p>Being 50gb (theoretical was at 400gb last I heard) the blu-ray definitely has a place in the pc gaming world, when all our textures are 1024 at low res (2048 as std) and EVERY character in a game has a unique high def voice, when we are using big data crunching for our 3d engine (see <a href="http://www.euclideon.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.euclideon.com/</a> and watch the vids) our sizes of our games will expand especially with increased details et al. if we use uncompressed (or very little compression) for hd video that space gets chewed up very quickly. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s definitely an option until high capacity flash (100gb or over) becomes feasible, thank goodness hd-dvd didn&#8217;t make any impact.</p>
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		<title>By: kipjib</title>
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		<dc:creator>kipjib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not everyone has a fast internet connection to download their games.
I personally had to leave my computer on overnight to download a client of that size on ADSL2+. Where as now that I&#039;ve moved Metro I have Cable and can download Planetside 2 for example which weighs in at 7GB, in about 15 minutes. If games came on BluRay however I would much rather be able to physically own the game and know I don&#039;t have to wait three times as long for the download to finish as it would be for an install to be pulled from disc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everyone has a fast internet connection to download their games.<br />
I personally had to leave my computer on overnight to download a client of that size on ADSL2+. Where as now that I&#8217;ve moved Metro I have Cable and can download Planetside 2 for example which weighs in at 7GB, in about 15 minutes. If games came on BluRay however I would much rather be able to physically own the game and know I don&#8217;t have to wait three times as long for the download to finish as it would be for an install to be pulled from disc.</p>
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		<title>By: storm84</title>
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		<dc:creator>storm84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Switching 3 disks during installation really shouldn&#039;t be a problem. Heck, it wasn&#039;t a problem 10 years ago when DVDs first started coming out and games still required a CD to run. These days the disks are just a medium between purchasing it and getting it on your computer. If there were 5-7 DVDs then *maybe* there&#039;s an argument, but even then are we getting that lazy that we cannot bear to change disks midway through an installation process?

Of course, if it were a more financially viable and desirable option, companies would already be switching to blu-ray as its mode of storage. They not, and given that the PC market is shifting more to digital sales, I wouldn&#039;t expect them to any time soon. Thankfully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Switching 3 disks during installation really shouldn&#8217;t be a problem. Heck, it wasn&#8217;t a problem 10 years ago when DVDs first started coming out and games still required a CD to run. These days the disks are just a medium between purchasing it and getting it on your computer. If there were 5-7 DVDs then *maybe* there&#8217;s an argument, but even then are we getting that lazy that we cannot bear to change disks midway through an installation process?</p>
<p>Of course, if it were a more financially viable and desirable option, companies would already be switching to blu-ray as its mode of storage. They not, and given that the PC market is shifting more to digital sales, I wouldn&#8217;t expect them to any time soon. Thankfully.</p>
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		<title>By: exe3</title>
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		<dc:creator>exe3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 05:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18206&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sar&#056;&#052;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

That&#039;s just bluray in general. Bluray has no standard and Sony just keeps upgrading and changing things requiring new software and firmware in the case of bluray players. Heck some of the older bluray players can&#039;t even play newer blurays. It&#039;s part of why I wanted HDDVD to win the war at the time, because they had completed the HDDVD standard so it wouldn&#039;t have been in constant flux.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-18206" rel="nofollow">sar&#056;&#052;</a></strong>, </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just bluray in general. Bluray has no standard and Sony just keeps upgrading and changing things requiring new software and firmware in the case of bluray players. Heck some of the older bluray players can&#8217;t even play newer blurays. It&#8217;s part of why I wanted HDDVD to win the war at the time, because they had completed the HDDVD standard so it wouldn&#8217;t have been in constant flux.</p>
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		<title>By: PalZer0</title>
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		<dc:creator>PalZer0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main issue with Blu-ray adoption at launch was its competitor HD-DVD. With HD-DVD out of the picture and no new optical disc formats on the horizon from what I can tell, there seems to be a lot moe certainty and stability in optical media (hence why Hollywood is moving full steam ahead with getting movies onto Blu-ray - new and old).

Unfortunately, it&#039;s a bit of a chicken and egg scenario with PC Blu-ray drives. People aren&#039;t buying them because of a lack of PC software that comes on Blu-ray discs yet software companies aren&#039;t using Blu-ray discs for installation media because because of the low install base of Blu-ray drives. Eventually, something has to give.

Another suggestion I could see implemented is having the special editions of PC games use Blu-ray for installation media (much like how the special edition of Quake 4 came on DVD whereas the normal edition had multipe CDs - I believe it was 4).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main issue with Blu-ray adoption at launch was its competitor HD-DVD. With HD-DVD out of the picture and no new optical disc formats on the horizon from what I can tell, there seems to be a lot moe certainty and stability in optical media (hence why Hollywood is moving full steam ahead with getting movies onto Blu-ray &#8211; new and old).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s a bit of a chicken and egg scenario with PC Blu-ray drives. People aren&#8217;t buying them because of a lack of PC software that comes on Blu-ray discs yet software companies aren&#8217;t using Blu-ray discs for installation media because because of the low install base of Blu-ray drives. Eventually, something has to give.</p>
<p>Another suggestion I could see implemented is having the special editions of PC games use Blu-ray for installation media (much like how the special edition of Quake 4 came on DVD whereas the normal edition had multipe CDs &#8211; I believe it was 4).</p>
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		<title>By: sar84</title>
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		<dc:creator>sar84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 03:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-18126&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18126&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;silenceoz&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
I have a BR player in the PC.
I buy most of my favourite shows in BR because they look so much better but I don’t expect it to be wide spread enough to be used for games


&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What type of player software do you use?

I have a Blu-Ray in my old computer, I didn&#039;t bother with getting one in my new machine. I have 8 movies on Blu-Ray, I&#039;ve only ever watched 2 of them, the others wont play, at least they wouldn&#039;t last time I tried. From what I can tell they keep doing something to the format so that the PC software has to be constantly updated to play newer titles. Each new release of the player software seemed to have less features than the version before. I may be paranoid but it all stank of Sony putting the boot into PC&#039;s. It&#039;d be interesting to know if the PC&#039;s they make have the same problems.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-18126" rel="nofollow">silenceoz</a></strong>:<br />
I have a BR player in the PC.<br />
I buy most of my favourite shows in BR because they look so much better but I don’t expect it to be wide spread enough to be used for games</p>
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<p>What type of player software do you use?</p>
<p>I have a Blu-Ray in my old computer, I didn&#8217;t bother with getting one in my new machine. I have 8 movies on Blu-Ray, I&#8217;ve only ever watched 2 of them, the others wont play, at least they wouldn&#8217;t last time I tried. From what I can tell they keep doing something to the format so that the PC software has to be constantly updated to play newer titles. Each new release of the player software seemed to have less features than the version before. I may be paranoid but it all stank of Sony putting the boot into PC&#8217;s. It&#8217;d be interesting to know if the PC&#8217;s they make have the same problems.</p>
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		<title>By: kablekill</title>
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		<dc:creator>kablekill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 03:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-18092&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18092&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shlaimon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
My disc drive is only used to install windows.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t even use mine to install windows as there is a tool that Microsoft provides on there site to install windows to a USB drive.

Every install is digital download for me. Even if I get a copy from the shop, all I do is ad the CD key to Steam or origin and let it download, this way its all up to date and ready to go.

As for which way the retail copies should go. It would be hard to push people in the direction of a Blu-Ray drive. I really think that with USB drives dropping in price we could start to see these used in a few years or in the next console cycle. Simple easy and you just plug it in and away it goes.

Time will tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="comment-18092"><p>
<strong><a href="#comment-18092" rel="nofollow">shlaimon</a></strong>:<br />
My disc drive is only used to install windows.
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<p>I don&#8217;t even use mine to install windows as there is a tool that Microsoft provides on there site to install windows to a USB drive.</p>
<p>Every install is digital download for me. Even if I get a copy from the shop, all I do is ad the CD key to Steam or origin and let it download, this way its all up to date and ready to go.</p>
<p>As for which way the retail copies should go. It would be hard to push people in the direction of a Blu-Ray drive. I really think that with USB drives dropping in price we could start to see these used in a few years or in the next console cycle. Simple easy and you just plug it in and away it goes.</p>
<p>Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: exe3</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18198</link>
		<dc:creator>exe3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 02:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t really see USB like devices for PC games, for consoles sure (I frankly want that to be the next format, so much faster and any updates, DLC and save games going straight to the card) but my gut for whatever reason says it won&#039;t fly with PC&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t really see USB like devices for PC games, for consoles sure (I frankly want that to be the next format, so much faster and any updates, DLC and save games going straight to the card) but my gut for whatever reason says it won&#8217;t fly with PC&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: cexitime</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18192</link>
		<dc:creator>cexitime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 01:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18171&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;craw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

USB keys as DRM is as old as USB its self. its nothing new and no doubt it will happen if games are released on USB memory. as for cost factor there is one with DVDs and Blu-ray + the time it takes to write the media, while this is true as well with USB memory some drives may be quicker on the write status than DVD&#039;s and Blu-ray, buying the drives at wholesale will also cause the cost of the drives to drop..

Hell I got a better idea, Start distributing the games on SSD drives, Every PC then has an external 2.5&quot; Bay dock that you just hot swap SSD&#039;s out of with the games ready to play, no installation required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-18171" rel="nofollow">craw</a></strong>, </p>
<p>USB keys as DRM is as old as USB its self. its nothing new and no doubt it will happen if games are released on USB memory. as for cost factor there is one with DVDs and Blu-ray + the time it takes to write the media, while this is true as well with USB memory some drives may be quicker on the write status than DVD&#8217;s and Blu-ray, buying the drives at wholesale will also cause the cost of the drives to drop..</p>
<p>Hell I got a better idea, Start distributing the games on SSD drives, Every PC then has an external 2.5&#8243; Bay dock that you just hot swap SSD&#8217;s out of with the games ready to play, no installation required.</p>
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		<title>By: inaugral</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18188</link>
		<dc:creator>inaugral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 00:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[USB drives for games? Good in theory but flash memory is easily broken.  It would work if say Steam or Uplay games came on a USB and you could backup said game installers from that client to your USB. after updates. This could be sort of a backup thing. This idea works with Digital distribution not against.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USB drives for games? Good in theory but flash memory is easily broken.  It would work if say Steam or Uplay games came on a USB and you could backup said game installers from that client to your USB. after updates. This could be sort of a backup thing. This idea works with Digital distribution not against.</p>
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		<title>By: exe3</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18178</link>
		<dc:creator>exe3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not until games requiring up to 5 DVD&#039;s becomes the norm and even then it&#039;ll be a hard sell what with DD. Though I disagree with some of the people saying bluray won&#039;t come in as just because you guys are going DD exclusive doesn&#039;t mean everyone has or will.

It&#039;ll be a while yet before we&#039;re at a stage where moving to bluray would be a smart move and anything could happen between now and that time. The next gen consoles will be the real pusher if PC games go to bluray and even then at first they&#039;ll give the option between a multi DVD version or a buray version just like they had previously with CD&#039;s and DVD&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not until games requiring up to 5 DVD&#8217;s becomes the norm and even then it&#8217;ll be a hard sell what with DD. Though I disagree with some of the people saying bluray won&#8217;t come in as just because you guys are going DD exclusive doesn&#8217;t mean everyone has or will.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be a while yet before we&#8217;re at a stage where moving to bluray would be a smart move and anything could happen between now and that time. The next gen consoles will be the real pusher if PC games go to bluray and even then at first they&#8217;ll give the option between a multi DVD version or a buray version just like they had previously with CD&#8217;s and DVD&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: jagji</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18174</link>
		<dc:creator>jagji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it would be better off doing what a lot of movie company are doing, and sell the DVD and Blu-Ray in one package. Its actually cheeped to buy it like that, for what ever reason, so I don&#039;t see why it would not be like that for games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be better off doing what a lot of movie company are doing, and sell the DVD and Blu-Ray in one package. Its actually cheeped to buy it like that, for what ever reason, so I don&#8217;t see why it would not be like that for games.</p>
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		<title>By: craw</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18171</link>
		<dc:creator>craw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those looking for USB sticks as an option there is a cost factor involved ($15+ for a 32 Gb stick from my quick staticice check) but there is also a more worrying problem nobody has mentioned.

DRM!!!!!

I can see UbiEaBlizztivision jumping on this opportunity to develop their own proprietary DRM systems which would require the USB stick to be connected at all times (and also still need a constant internet connection, just cos they can). So now instead of just needing a disc for installs you would need to have all your game USB sticks ready to swap in whenever you want to play.

Another seemingly good idea subverted into DRM hell all to easily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those looking for USB sticks as an option there is a cost factor involved ($15+ for a 32 Gb stick from my quick staticice check) but there is also a more worrying problem nobody has mentioned.</p>
<p>DRM!!!!!</p>
<p>I can see UbiEaBlizztivision jumping on this opportunity to develop their own proprietary DRM systems which would require the USB stick to be connected at all times (and also still need a constant internet connection, just cos they can). So now instead of just needing a disc for installs you would need to have all your game USB sticks ready to swap in whenever you want to play.</p>
<p>Another seemingly good idea subverted into DRM hell all to easily.</p>
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		<title>By: coatsy22</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18165</link>
		<dc:creator>coatsy22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-18123&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18123&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PalZer&#048;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
As I noted in the article, most retail PC games are also released on PS3 which uses Blu-ray as the standard disc format. This means it would be easy to factor in PC retail units when making orders for Blu-ray discs as they can be combined with PS3 retail units.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This might actually make sense if the production cost of the retail packaging + disk wasnt approx $0.12 a unit (so basically nothing in the grand scheme of things).

Having boxes split over manufacturers as a result of different media actually allows for more ordering flexibility, possibly lowering costs and lowering manufacture time (Though we&#039;d never see that saving knocked on regardless).]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-18123" rel="nofollow">PalZer&#048;</a></strong>:<br />
As I noted in the article, most retail PC games are also released on PS3 which uses Blu-ray as the standard disc format. This means it would be easy to factor in PC retail units when making orders for Blu-ray discs as they can be combined with PS3 retail units.</p>
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<p>This might actually make sense if the production cost of the retail packaging + disk wasnt approx $0.12 a unit (so basically nothing in the grand scheme of things).</p>
<p>Having boxes split over manufacturers as a result of different media actually allows for more ordering flexibility, possibly lowering costs and lowering manufacture time (Though we&#8217;d never see that saving knocked on regardless).</p>
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		<title>By: ooshp</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18158</link>
		<dc:creator>ooshp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18154&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;submariner&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, 

Mmmm universal Win 7 installer on USB. Optical drives are now obsolete.

Of course, I do have pity for those who have been stooged by Telstra in Australia, but you can&#039;t expect a minority of a minority to have much impact on worldwide distribution trends.

Having said that, you can&#039;t microwave an internet connection to make sweet lightning, but you CAN do that with an optical disc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="#comment-18154" rel="nofollow">submariner</a></strong>, </p>
<p>Mmmm universal Win 7 installer on USB. Optical drives are now obsolete.</p>
<p>Of course, I do have pity for those who have been stooged by Telstra in Australia, but you can&#8217;t expect a minority of a minority to have much impact on worldwide distribution trends.</p>
<p>Having said that, you can&#8217;t microwave an internet connection to make sweet lightning, but you CAN do that with an optical disc.</p>
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		<title>By: your_mate</title>
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		<dc:creator>your_mate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The survey says?

[X][X][X]

Not required. If you can&#039;t afford a decent connection you can deal with having to swap discs a few times, as chances are updating your optical drive and paying more for games is not going to be your thing either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The survey says?</p>
<p>[X][X][X]</p>
<p>Not required. If you can&#8217;t afford a decent connection you can deal with having to swap discs a few times, as chances are updating your optical drive and paying more for games is not going to be your thing either.</p>
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		<title>By: submariner</title>
		<link>http://games.on.net/2013/01/community-soapbox-should-game-companies-use-blu-ray-discs-for-pc-game-installation-media/#comment-18154</link>
		<dc:creator>submariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find I have little use for an optical drive with a computer. I am buying a cheap USB 3.0 external box to put one of my DVD sata drives inside, and taking out the optical drives in all 3 computers in the house. I have Win7 on a USB memory stick, if I ever need to install it again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find I have little use for an optical drive with a computer. I am buying a cheap USB 3.0 external box to put one of my DVD sata drives inside, and taking out the optical drives in all 3 computers in the house. I have Win7 on a USB memory stick, if I ever need to install it again.</p>
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