Games.on.net Video Review: Far Cry 3 (PC)
By Tim Colwill on November 28, 2012 at 11:42 am
Far Cry 3 is a strange beast and, as we discovered when we tried to put a collar around it, it just won’t be tamed. With a scripted, linear campaign living side by side with some of the best sandbox gameplay of the year, Far Cry 3 sometimes struggles to come to terms with what it wants to be. Find out more in our massive video review below.
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UPDATE: We have since learned that purchasing Far Cry 3 via Steam still requires you to use uPlay to manage the game, contrary to what is stated in the review.
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Aaaand now that it’s all uploaded and encoded I notice that the audio has drifted by a few microseconds from what Premiere previewed it as. Wicked! I’ll render out another. :(
Given this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger#Conservation_efforts
I find it incredibly tasteless that the game features tiger-killing. One of the most magnificent creatures in the world, almost exterminated in the wild by humans, and we need to simulate killing more of them in a video game for… fun?
That looks pretty fun, and caitsith01, you might notice he killed a lot of people too, as with most games, actions in them don’t translate over to real life.
Great review, thanks.
I was already planing on getting it and this showed me I’m making the right choice. :)
Save the tigers, kill virtual ones instead!
good review as always… know of anywhere i can get it at a good price… steams $70 seems a bit steep compared to other big releases this year.
WOWHD is selling it for $32, but it’s boxed retail, not a key: http://www.wowhd.com.au/games/far-cry-3-pc/dp/27836411/56271659
I suspect we’ll start to see Steam keys pop up around the place once it launches.
caitsith01,
You do realise you’re killing humans as well right? Like… hundreds and hundreds of them. It’s a video game for chrissakes. It glorifies killing real tigers about as much as it does killing real humans… not at all.
caitsith01,
He also blasted two people driving by in a car with a shotgun, killing them instantly. It amuses me thats someone would think killing people in video games is fine, but killing tigers is abhorrent.
caitsith01,
Wut?
I’m with caitsith01 on this one.
Save the tigers. Humans do enough every day to warrant our personal extermination.
I look forward to burning down a forrest, punching sharks, swimming with turtles (then punching more sharks), creating a battle between humans and animals in a ring with the level editor, grabbing the bow and shooting everything in the face,
And one by one, harvesting every animal in the game for sweet sweet loot.
Yup, humans aren’t endangered, and in the context of the game, killing them is reasonable – i.e., they are trying to kill you.
Tigers don’t actually go around attacking humans unless provoked, and I said it was TASTELESS, which is a word you might like to look up. I am aware that it’s a video game, that doesn’t mean it is immune from criticism for its content.
I would be equally critical of a book or TV show or movie where the hero wantonly massacres a highly endangered animal.
It’s basically like the game having dolphin and seal clubbing, or letting you shoot baby pandas, or encouraging you to beat up old and disabled people. All of that would be fictional. All of it would be bad taste if presented as anything other than a satire on video game violence.
I would be less critical if they’d chosen an animal which hasn’t in fact been hunted to extinction on tropical islands by stupid humans with guns (look up Balinese tigers). I just think it’s tacky and immature.
mindsnare,
Last time I checked the human race was in its billions.. killing a few thousands won’t hurt anyone.. besides majority of those you are killing in the farcry games tend to be scumbags not fit for life anyway.
Oh, I disagree. IMHO it does indeed glorify killing real humans, so long as they’re “bad”, in the same way as a thousand other games and movies about ‘justified’ killing do. However, at least it provides some ethical/moral context for that.
Stuff is put in games to be fun and entertaining, presumably. I think there’s something slightly sick about anyone who thinks its fun and entertaining to act out the killing of an endangered animal which IRL has been pushed to the brink by people doing exactly what is depicted in the game.
Anyway, just my perspective. Feel free not to share it.
I like most tigers i have been around more than most people I have been around.
Having said that in the real world killing is wrong unless its for survival of-course imho, non of us get our morality from far cry right guys ?
novak47,
GetGamesGO has it for a much more Australian friendly $38.50
http://getgamesgo.com/product/far-cry-3-us-po
Uplay key, (No several week shipping time :))
Though personally I figure if Amazon digital can get their hands on steamworks keys for ACIII, they may stock a steam version of this in the future also. Hopefully some sort of cheap “UBI” pack since they have a nack for that sort of thing. (Recent Prototype complete pack 1+2+DLC) for $7.50 comes to mind :P
Video game tigers, serious business.
I’m going to slaughter every tiger I come across in this game and write your name on its corpse with bullets, caitsith01.
There I was thinking that one of the main arguments we use against the “ban video games” crowd is that we know the difference between games and real life.
I don’t think you can argue killing people in any situation isn’t tasteless as well, forced into that situation or not. If the game was purely a hunting game, that the only goal within was to kill a tiger/other endangered species, I’d probably agree with you, but in a game that features an apparently huge variety of creatures and people to kill in creative ways, I think you’ve fixated on something odd, given the context in which it’s found.
Again, the word I used was tasteless. I didn’t say the game should be banned, nor do I think that.
If someone wrote a story or made a film in which the protagonist kills endangered animals for no real reason, it would be tasteless. Ditto if other horrible, antisocial things were depicted without justification.
Somehow gamers think that if it’s in a game, then that’s fine and immune from the same criticism. I personally find that view immature and silly.
I mean, where does your little “it’s not real life so shut up” argument end? Would it be ok to call a game “tasteless” if your character raped people? Stomped on babies in a maternity ward? Tortured animals or humans for sadistic fun? Would all that be fine, because “it’s not real life”?
caitsith01,
You’ve been reading PETA paraphernalia again haven’t you? I bet you were also outraged with Super Mario’s Tanuki suit as well.
Good for you. I hope you feel like a big man/woman while you pretend to kill endangered animals with a gun then mutilate their corpses to teach a stranger on the internet a lesson. I’m sure it’ll give you a fantastic sense of satisfaction, as well as making you a more worthwhile human being.
Yes, because commenting on whether an artistic choice by a game designer to pointlessly depict the killing of endangered animals is “tasteless” makes me a PETA crazy person, doesn’t it?
I’m glad we could talk about Far Cry 3, Great review Tim! :)
caitsith01,
My mistake, you’re just a regular crazy person then. Please accept my heartfelt apology.
Cas, sorry, I thought we were talking about Far Cry 3. Just not the right bit of it, apparently.
I do find it quite interesting how defensive some game nerds get at the slightest suggestion that any aspect of any game may be criticised on pretty much any basis at all other than technical/gameplay grounds.
I thought games were art now? Surely they are therefore open to a critique not only of their technical execution, but also their content?
Only on games.on.net could the endangerment of tigers usurp a review, and then go on to become a heated philosophical discussion on the worth or lack thereof of human life.
Toby did you like my review
novak47,
I’m getting my key from G2play.net they have a digital Uplay key at $37 on special for today.
Tim and I started to have a chat about it, now I just want to know if Toby liked the review.
Game nerds, What a bunch of losers.
Wait, that’s me. Oh, I see what you did there.
Watching Tim’s review, then watching the IGN review is quite amusing.
games.on.net
IGN
I love the silly little touches in the review. Like the tiger you killed at the start sliding down the mountain like a sled on ice.
Not to mention the silly AI driving thier jeep into the river :D
SOME game nerds (and that part wasn’t intended to refer to you).
I would count myself as a game nerd, albeit one who has the ability to form basic views about the subject matter depicted in games rather than one who uncritically accepts and defends all game content…
I really couldn’t believe that happened right in front of me. I lost my shit when their bodies bobbed to the surface a second later.
Forming a different view on a subject to you, doesn’t make that different opinion any less valid.
But hey, if you feel like attacking the people instead of what they say, go for it.
Hey i’m enjoying the show! *grabs more popcorn*
What makes you believe that I (or other game nerds) can’t acknowledge and understand the context of killing animals, to collect their pelt for crafting new items within the Far Cry 3 universe?
Or would you prefer me to say something like “Seeing as games are an art, my personal views hold no value when commenting on the artistic work of others.” – For the sake of it as a serious deadpan response.
IGN put the I G and N in Ignorant.
Excellent video review. Absolutely top quality stuff. Looking forward to more of them aha.
Interesting perspective given that in this thread I’ve been called a “crazy person” and PETA sympathiser, had it implied that I don’t know the difference between a game and real life, and had someone tell me they intend to go and deliberately do the anti-social thing I’ve identified out of spite, while the strongest terms I’ve used are “tasteless” and “game nerds” (the latter of which I freely apply to myself).
That, is the right attitude. Haha.
That looks so fun! Thanks to Farcry 3 I’ve just booked my own tiger hunting expedition to India. THANKS VIDEOGAMES!
No, I’d like you to acknowledge the opposite, that given games are art, they are open to being critiqued on the basis of the artistic choices made within them.
I am actually just really surprised that it’s such an outrageous suggestion that including the wanton killing of an animal most people would know is highly endangered is poor taste.
What’s your view on this?
Tim Colwill,
Your voice is very sexy. I want to do one, too!
My statement can easily be directed at them too? I didn’t directly attack you, I simply made a comparison that many people who play games have been doing for years, what happens in games, isn’t reality.
I feel my counter argument above sums up why I disagree with your stance on the tiger killing.
caitsith01,
There’s a large gap between doing inhumane things for fun and killing a tiger that’s attacking you I think.
Not once have I said that it is, nor have I suggested that this will cause mass tiger killings in the real world. I’ve simply said that it’s poor taste to depict certain things in certain ways.
Unless you are a pure relativist (i.e. everything is subjective, nothing is capable of being subjected to any form of artistic or value judgment at all) then surely that’s not so out there?
Weirdly, Tim has almost the exact same voice as me. Listening to that review was oddly like listening to a recording of myself.
I assume that means he secretly agrees with me about the need for an in-game tiger sanctuary.
Right, I agree. To be clear, what I was initially attempting to comment on was the design choice of making tigers a thing that attacks the player and subsequently gets killed by the player. Not the ethics of a particular player who is forced by the rules of the game to defend themself from said rampaging cyber tiger.
I’ll just quote what i said above, which explains why I don’t think it’s any more, or less, tasteless than anything else seen in the game;
I don’t think you can argue killing people in any situation isn’t tasteless as well, forced into that situation or not. If the game was purely a hunting game, that the only goal within was to kill a tiger/other endangered species, I’d probably agree with you, but in a game that features an apparently huge variety of creatures and people to kill in creative ways, I think you’ve fixated on something odd, given the context in which it’s found
TBH I mostly stay the hell away from tigers because they take about four point-blank shotgun blasts to kill. That one in the opening video only died from two because I hit it with a jeep off-camera.
They’re not as bad as bears though. Bears!
You’ll pleased to know you don’t NEED to kill ANY tigers in the game if you don’t want to. You can do the whole game without killing any wildlife, you’ll just be gimped. MORAL CHOICES!?!
caitsith01,
I never told you to shut up :)
Of course there is a line, all the examples you gave would likely breach classification guidelines on sexual violence or extreme violence.
I’m just not sure that endangered animals should be treated as similarly endangered in a video game.
Great video. Can’t wait for a mod to switch off the story missions, unlock the skill tree, strip back the HUD and make Dudebro shut up. Also for the one that replaces tigers with slightly less endangered animals to the great relief of this entire thread.
It was a good first attempt at a video review Tim. The content was good and informative but the presentation was weak. The constant stopping and starting gave it no pace and you also sounded not particularly interested in reading it which harmed some of the jokes you tried to make. But overall good effort, makes me want to play the game lol.
Just wondering, when you capture a point does that mean enemies never appear there again? Wouldn’t that make the world end up feeling empty and dull with no enemies to fight in older areas?
Also was that crocodile biting that guys junk? O_O
Critique away, we did in our review :)
Honestly it’s not something I think about often. I generally avoid content I’m not interested in or potentially offended by, after leaning about them obviously.
If we are to depict some or many of those events in art, books, games, tv and movies etc (which, many of those examples have been) – To provide an engaging, thought provoking, world view changing and enlightening experience to grow as a human race. This includes for better or worse (I’m going to have to remember this for my wedding vows one day).
Yes, I would understand why the content was included within the context of the surroundings of the world/setting/universe/fantasy.
If successful it would create the desired result that was intended to receive from the audience. I’m not looking to be wrapped in a wool and told everything is ok, I know the world is a bad place and I would like to learn from it. In most cases for extreme content, from the example provided the response is shock, to be repelled, horror and a level of comfort that is absolutely unsettling to those who have been exposed, or to document actual real life occurrences.
I’m not looking to be sheltered from things that may upset others, I will use my own discretion and take responsibility for my actions. I don’t need to persuade anyone with my opinions either, they are mine :)
Thanks for the feedback! Problematically I have a really monotone voice, and the only way I could sound more enthusiastic is if I was angry, which I really wasn’t. Plus then there’d be lots of heavy breathing into the mic and nobody likes that (OR DO THEY?!)
Yes, it does. You own the point forever, but there’s still lots of places within the world where enemies hang out that aren’t guard outposts. Also, they drive around constantly, shooting the place up.
Funnily enough, that’s exactly why I don’t like the tiger thing. To me, that art/design decision says: killing tigers is fun! Let’s put it in our game, because it’s entertaining to kill them! Worry not, ignorant gaming masses, as you can see, tigers are not amazing animals which are horribly endangered by human stupidity and guns but, rather, nasty and aggressive brutes who should be dispatched with abandon as part fo a fun game!
No doubt that seems like a pretty fine point to most people, but it bothered me for that reason.
I’m not looking to be sheltered either. My attitude is that people should have free speech, but that means that one person’s speech (e.g.: pointless tiger killing funz) can and should be subject to critcism via other people’s free speech (e.g. me whinging for 300 posts about the death of virtual tigers).
You could pretend to be Darth Vader. <__>
LOL at fail emoticon. The comment software merged a bunch of symbols together to make that. XD
Kill a tiger, something that was a threat to the player.
All hell breaks loose.
Shoot a guy in the face with a compound bow who said nothing more then “Hey can you help me”.
“That’s cool. I don’t like people so I have no issue.”
haha he has a point, well said.
Knowing all to well in this Digital world, no ACTUAL creatures where harmed in the making of that good time!!!
I like it and will admit at first that while at first your voice did make me a little sleepy it was still enjoyable! Maybe next video review you can try it with some ‘medicinal’ help :O
I think this is possibly the best games.on.net thread I have read in a long time. (the review was pretty good too)
I like that someone shared their views on the matter, If people didnt, we wouldnt get these fun arguments where people think their opinions matter on the internet.
So thank you games.on you made my afternoon fun with your antic.
now time to go get me some tiger blood, charlie sheen style! WINNING!
Wont sombody PLEASE think of the tigers?!?!
/Helen Lovejoy
I came to find out why there were so many comments on this story, thought there must be some prize being given away or something.
Nope! Tigers.
Awesome review . Would of liked to see how the multiplayer was implemented thou.
“Can you help me bro. Arrow to the head” classic
Meh Cait has a point, it is fairly tasteless in my opinion and not something that interests me in a game. If I wanted that I would buy one of those hunting style games where you show your ‘immense manliness’ by shooting otherwise defenceless animals (though a Tiger is hardly defenceless).
Of course I am all for shark punching so I guess it depends on what you are willing to accept.
All in all I very much look forward to the mod:
Eye of the Tiger: Far Roar, a Far Cry 3 adventure.
*Black screen :smokey gravelly voiced voice over man begins*
You are the last Tiger, Man has driven you from your home, killed your mate and your cubs.
*cut to a fast cut sports training style montage of a Tiger eating some people going to the toilet on the outskirts of a village, eating a dog and destroying a bamboo hut to get to the tasty humans inside. It fades out with the Tiger sharpening his claws on an old car wreck as he eyes off a nearby Man settlement, the Men with the firesticks.
*fades to black*
*Smokey voiced gravelly voice over* Time to earn your stripes and claw your way back to the top of the food chain.
*Queue deep tiger roar and screaming male voices*
*Fade to black*
Bumper sticker……”Nuke the Tigers!”
For $37 will pick this up now I think! /Adds game to Steam Library!
Yeah! Gonna get me some Tiger killin action! Blam Blam kitty BLAM! :P
They should release an alternative setting where all the animal derives upgrades could be made out of human organs instead. That should fix any concerns regarding animal violence.
I remember helping to hasten the extinction of mammoths in Skyrim.
Hm, nice review glad im making the right choice in pre ordering :)
Hey Tim if i did a decent review of a new game in the future and submit it to you, think it could get posted here and on the GoN YT channel?
I’m actually in the process of setting up a green screen and learning chroma keying :P
Depending on whether on not you think its good of course.
Tim Colwill,
TIM I LIKED YOUR REVIEW TIM.
Also, I heard that the tigers on that island regularly flip off boxes of kittens and poop on the daffodils, or whatever.
I’ve bought a copy of the game AND sponsored the Australia Zoo Tiger Conservation project.
Check. Mate.
After killing my first and only mammoth in Skyrim, I felt so bad that I respawned and let one kill me twice.
Of course this sort of feeling was probably the intention behind whatever all that stuff Cas mentioned in that TLDR above.
Some of the comedy I like is of poor taste but I still laugh. And every now and then I sit and think and wonder what it really is that makes me laugh.
What about all the other animals that are endangered in real life, but are plentiful in the game (look at all the god damn sea turtles!”)? Why is it so much worse to kill a tiger in a video game rather than any other creature? Judging from the footage it looks like the game doesn’t force you to kill innocent civilians/animals any more than any other videogame, so I really don’t see what the problem is.
It’s a sandbox game, sandbox games are about freedom of choice. If you don’t want to kill the tigers, don’t kill them.
I can see the headlines: “Gamer gets killed trying to get into a knife fight with a tiger. Parents blame Far Cry 3.”
caitsith01,
I am with you on this one.
Every story you experience you WILL take something away from it. You have absolutely no choice in this and it is how our brain holes are designed. I touch on the subject in this thread – http://games.on.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=196143&p=2627559#p2627559 – but that is a BIG wall of paragraphed text.
I am not saying we are all mass murdering animal and human killers because of video games (or any other form a media for that matter), but saying you are not changed by the presentation and content of a story is nothing short of general ignorance; or maybe just denial.
Back to the topic of this story: I do feel very uneasy that the ONLY way you are able to upgrade your equipment — and thus, play with a pretty big mechanic of the game — is by slaughtering animals. The thing that also makes this more horrific is the animal is skinned by a press of a button and that is it — no blood; no guts; no time spent tugging the flesh from the slain animal muscles. Having a look at the Colwill’s gameplay it appears there is more involved with opening up the skill-tree than farming the hides of the local fauna. How long would you spend farming animal skins if it meant getting — digitally — down-and-dirty with a bowie knife? What about if it actually took more than a few milliseconds to do so? I cannot all the people who were okay with it before are so keen for it now; at least not out of necessity.
From all of the trailers I have witness they deal with the morality (or stark lack of it) if killing human beings all the time but animals are nothing short of walking loot containers.
I just wish there was a moral consistency with this title and others similar to it…
So if you need to kill animals in order to create/upgrade your equipment….what can’t you just loot the 1000′s of bad guys you just killed? I mean you could find a boxful of holsters, wallets, jumpers, shoes, or whatever.
Sounds kinda stupid.
caitsith01,
haha is this guy for real? bloody hell..
Nice work on the vid guys, end was win haha
I would rather harvest the upgrades from Humans and only kill the animals that attack me. I wonder if the game would get refused classification.
I’m not sure about other gamers but i do like to put myself into the game, do what I’d like to do and not do what i wouldn’t do. I’m not saying i wont enjoy the game but it would be good to have an alternative way to upgrade. I’d have no problem harvesting the humans. lol
Hey Daniel,
We have a Community Soapbox where members of the community can write (or video!) anything they want about games or game related follies and ship them through to Lord Tim for possible publishing on GON!
http://games.on.net/2012/10/introducing-the-community-soapbox-now-taking-submissions/
You know what I love?
I love people who think killing animals is a big deal when:
1. We have Israel basically using the Gaza strip as a prison camp.
2. The US complaining about the middle east getting nukes when they have how many of them?
3. Drugs being sold on streets.
4. PETA wanting to ban pets all together.
I mean, are you draft? All the crap about endangered animals. If there meant to die out, then fine, LET IT HAPPEN. Yes, its sad, but its the way of life. Things not only change, but NEED to change, to progress. When we, man kind, try to keep everything the way we found it, we are SCREWING WITH THE NATURAL ORDER OF SHIT. Oh, but you think we are doing that by killing them, do you? Well, no, where not. What we are doing is following our instinct to hunt, and kill. The only thing now is that its more of a sport than a need now. We use to do it for food. Hell, some African and South American tribes are still at it.
FFS, its a TIGER. If you come across one in FarCry 3, I am amusing it will attack you because that is how the devs programed it. So, its a survival thing. Hell, killing animals has ALWAYS been about survival. There IS no moral dilemma when killing them in the context of FC3 because FC3 are using them in the same way WE USE THEM IN REAL LIFE!
If you want to complain about something, complain about something WORTH THE TIME TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
With great respects,
Jagji
My thoughts on the Tiger thing… I mean, to be fair, they included (just from what I got in the review), Crocodiles and Bears as well. Probably others. I think I saw a turtle at one point. This game isn’t Tiger Hunting 2012, its an open world environment that needs to be populated by wild animals. It would feel a bit sparse without any wildlife right? And what animals tend to hang about in this environment? Tigers. Bears. Turtles. That they’ve added the collection of pelts? Well now you’re no longer killing Tigers for fun, you’re a hunter gatherer, improving your equipment from what you have available. Which just happens to be a blast. (pun!)
I see nothing distasteful about that context. It would be like making a game set in the Ice Age, but excluding the Wooly Mammoth because, just in case we happen to manage to clone one, people might then find it fun to kill.
And jagji,
If you’re going to swear at someone in your argument, don’t sign it off with “great respect,” because you obviously have none and it makes you look an ass.
jagji,
So because there is something worse, debating whether or not something else is good/bad is pointless?
I would also suggest that progress would be overcoming our instincts and looking at the bigger picture.
Nice review :p
akira675,
Now, you don’t know that. See, the thing about swearing, is that there just words that, for some reason, are taboo. If you can’t deal with words, why are you on the internet?
relaxedpossum,
You kinda missed what I was getting at…..
My pint is why are we talking about animals, when we can’t even deal with our own problems as a race? Its pointless.
We should probably reconsider the crafting concept in MMOs too. I can only think in horror of the thousands of bears wolves and other creatures I killed in lotro, only for their hides. Or do they not count as they represent fantasy worlds.
Being more serious, I can get how some people may think killing animals in the game is tasteless, but I myself do not have a problem with it. As others have said, if you don’t want to do it, don’t do it. I highly doubt that you will be forced in game to kill tigers (or as mentioned one of the other many endangered animals).
Just because I do something in a game does not mean that I support or would consider doing it in real life. I don’t think people are going to start saying it’s ok to be killing tigers as it was depicted in far cry 3.
If you think killing endangered animals in game is tasteless fair enough, but killing humans (whether bad or not) is perfectly fine? Bit of backwards thinking there imo.
also i obviously have no idea how to use images in the new news thread system!
“With great respect”, you are an excellent example of exactly what is wrong with humanity, and why there’s a fair chance that my grandchildren will grow up on a barren wasteland of a planet hearing stories about all these fantastic animals that used to exist before fools like you decided that a few extra humans was more important than numerous entire species. At least they’ll still be able to pretend to kill them on their XBOX 1234560s, hey?
Your assumption that humans have a right (and, apparently, duty) to wipe out other life on earth for our own perverse reasons is misguided in the extreme. Your shortsightedness is describing this as “progress” is just depressing.
And whether humans do horrible things to other humans is a completely separate question from how humans treat the other species we share the planet with. Amazingly, it’s possible to care about both how horrible humans are to each other and how horrible humans are to the environment.
As the starter of the “tiger thing”, my point was just that choosing tigers in particular seemed pretty tacky to me – nothing more, nothing less. I guess I see them as symbolic of the plight of many endangered species. I had no problem with, for example, hunting in Red Dead Redemption which was justified, realistic, and involved historically accurate animals.
jagji,
You obviously misread me. I’ll try again. I have no issue with swearing, I do it myself all the time. However, obviously your mother skipped over the lessons about treating others respectfully. All I am saying, is if you are not going to respectfully communicate with someone, don’t then pretend that you were by signing off said communication with “great respect.”
Unless you think me calling you (for example) a massive *%*#&*&* fat twat is respectful (or, respectful just because we’re on the internet). In which case, Inolongerwanttoliveinthisworld.jpg would be relevant here.
caitsith01,
So would you consider writing a short article for the community soapbox? Something like morality in gaming? This seems to be quite a hot issue :)
Anyone willing to submit a well reasoned against?
I don’t think people should equate “Don’t kill the Tigers with ..but it’s ok to kill the Humans!” which a few people have thrown about in this thread so far. It’s all rather tasteless in the end.
It is fallacy to say that games turn players into serial killers and sociopaths just as it is to say that games have no effect on people. When you have games that try and depict more realism in killing and that it is coined “entertainment” well that is going to have some emotional influence along the line.
The studies produced so far always have some sort of flawed methodology or at least they draw conclusions that are erroneous (much like when The Lancet (pretty sure it was The Lancet), of all publications, published a study which said immunisation = autism as that was what the researchers “isolated” as a common link between sufferers. Exclusionary studies are fine, but you really need to exclude every other variable before making a claim.
Emotive topics always bring out he extremes on both sides and honestly the studies taken to gauge the effects of gaming on people would have to be longitudinal studies that monitor the things you really need to look at – moral shifts in the gaming section of society etc…
Also, people need to leave their angrypants off when they post lol Oh no! someone has an opinion different to me! at them! * vigorously defends own justification*
Why do you believe all the over hyped crap that the greens come out with? Sigh….
LOL. People assuming I assume stuff… funny.
Its not about rights or duty, its about NATURE. Personally, I would not want to do it, but when it comes down to it, when its fight or die time, I probably would. Why? Because it has to be done. Lets see you get in a cage with a tiger. Would you kill it to survive, or let it kill you just so it can have a nice life?
Please explain to me how you can expect people to stop killing other animals when we are still killing our self in wars that, when it comes down to it, are stupid and pointless.
I’d be more than willing to give it a go…
caitsith01,
Whether I agree with the article or not, I’d really like to read that. You seem to have a strong enough opinion that it would make for great reading.
This is the dumbest fucking thread of all time. It’s a game, who gives a shit?
I await your PM, caitsith01!
Well that was short-sighted…
What’s your opinion on spiders?
Ok time for my imput – I LOVE tigers! They are my favorite animal in the world, I’ve had numerous stuffed teddy tigers growing up, my current bedspread is a giant tiger face and I almost cried when they took the tiger away at dreamworld before I could get my picture taken with it (at least I got to pet him a bit though).
But as much as I love them I have to disagree with you caitsith01. But I guess it is a matter of perspective. To me they are not rewarding me for ‘slaughtering tigers’ or any endangered species for that matter, they are rewarding me for surviving in a game world where everything is dangerous.
In fact, I am extremely pleased to see tigers in the game, because ANYTHING with tigers is simply win. Although I do respect your argument and it is good to see that there are people out there who care about these beautiful creatures.
caitsith01,
UWOTM8 !
You’re basically saying that most players are incapable of knowing the difference between an entity/scenario created in a game and reality.
Same with the other morally ambiguous scenarios.
eg. Fallout 1/2 allowed you to kill children, to pimp your spouse and generally be as disreputable as you wanted to (shy of sexual practices such as rape, bestiality etc). I love that a game gives you the option to be a truly horrible person, even if I rarely stray that way (I’m far too chaotic good). It allows you to role play rather than play the role dictated to you.
I completely respect your right to be offended and to offer criticism, even if I think you’re overreacting about something I consider inconsequential ie. the in game hunting of tigers. But you’re actually overreaching when you start trying to tell others what they are thinking. How many people after the playing the game do you think will actually want to hunt a tiger, let alone have the connections and money to make the desire a reality?
pinothyj,
Right, me thinking you guys arguing over the rights of cyber Tigers is moronic shows a lack of foresight on my part?
It’s not real life. I thought we’d all gotten to understand that actions in a video game hold no weight in real life?
BRB Booking my Tiger slaughtering safari.
ALL teh scrolling!
What happened to the page system? Also the comments section has a horizontal scroll bar for some reason, plays havoc when I middle click to scroll down. :S
asmodai,
I think it’s more the point that killing tigers is required if you want to upgrade certain characteristics of your character. Its the reward for doing it. Its the same view that the Australian classification system takes on drug use in games. Drug use is fine, but drug use plus reward => banned.
Darwinism existed long before even Darwin himself…
Things die. Its not the end of the world… that’s in a few days, then we’re all gonna die.
oh and ps.. these actions were all done in a game?! so who freakin cares?! oh wait..
Today i slaughtered at least 50 turtles in super mario mario brothers…. and i cant scrub their blood off my hands!! ARGH the humanity! (or lackthereof?)
You should read the post that linked: every story you experience, whether in a video game or on screen, will influence and strengthen some thought or resolve in your mind. The effects will be tiny but will be reinforced each time a similar story is told to you and, thus, absorbed.
There is no understanding because it is not true…
And that’s a wrap everybody! :D This must have been the biggest offtopic a comments section has gotten since the daylight savings fiasco! I’ll be eager to see how you trump this one Tim! XD
Mother-flipping daylight savings…
on’tday entionmay aylightday avingssay!
Looks like there are a few closet (or open) PETA members around here. I’ll make sure I kill an extra fox or dozen next time I go hunting just for you.
pinothyj,
Tigers and daylight savings. Topics never to be put in an article on GON again.
I’ve talked to him on the phone before, my wife stared suspiciously at my evident arousal.
In other arousing news, can NOT wait much longer to play this. Grabbed it from CJS and you can’t seem to enter keys directly into the UPlay launcher so I have to wait until the 30th for CJS to upload the UPlay launcher specifically for Far Cry 3.
Very glad I didn’t end up getting this on Xbox, looking forward to the pretties.
I should point out that in the review Tim actually freed some deers from a cage, and didn’t shoot them.
relaxedpossum,
Errr HUH ?
Man i cried at reading this thread…. Also, wondering what the performance of the game was like, since FC2 was a kick in the nuts everything you went lighting EVERYTHING on fire… FC3 the same or no?
Hey Steve, I didn’t really take any mad frame rate hits when fire was spreading everywhere. Stayed pretty close to 60 on my 670, no dramas!