Sitrep: New Vegas was too good to me

Fallout New Vegas Caesar

For the past coupla weeks, Fallout: New Vegas has been on my mind. Don’t ask me why. I haven’t played it since I finished it ages ago. I haven’t even explored any of its DLC, which all came it out in dribs and drabs once I’d done my badass Legion thing and left the future of New Vegas in the homoerotic hands of Caesar and his army of skirt-men. I tend to only play games once and make a big personal epic out of it. When it’s done, it’s done, so I have no idea how siding with the NCR or Mr. House pans out. I shot that crusty butthole about a hundred times. Try to tell me how to live, will you.

I guess that’s why I’ve been thinking about it a lot. Fighting under Ceasar’s banner is undoubtedly a brutal way to go, but at the time I thought, “The NCR are backwards dumbasses and if they take control, this whole vicious cycle of stagnant ruin is going to start over and we’ll be right back here playing this game over again.” Then I tried to consider what Mr. House was all about but the guy just kept getting in my face and I’d had enough of his crap after about two seconds. I can’t even keep a cactus alive, so lording over The Strip myself would’ve been kind of irresponsible.

Out of all of them, only Caesar seemed to understand that you have to burn this place down before you can rebuild it again. Too extreme! Love it. He’s also a brilliant mind. Always bet on brains. Modelling himself and his forces on Rome’s assimilatory approach to unification would normally rob a place of its culture – but what culture are we talking about out here? A few worthless townships and scattered, dwindling tribes? Okay, so the anti-mutant bigotry is not cool. I like those guys.

It’s here where I realised what was bothering me: New Vegas is full of goody little two-shoes. There isn’t one human companion that isn’t, at base, some kind of paragon on the inside. As if. Every single one of them will eventually – and in Boone’s case, instantly – turn on you the moment you start doing the Legion thing.

Seriously? This is the wasteland. The end of days. There is no hope. There’s nothing. That kind of environment gives rise to survivalism, which breeds ruthlessness the longer it goes on. You mean to tell me none of these men and women want to do some wrong-ass things because who cares? You mean to tell me none of them just want to watch what remains of the world burn? Come in, Jericho.

Why am I talking about this thing when Borderlands 2 has just come out and everyone’s all about that? Because I tell you what, I want to behave badly, and mayhap I get the feeling it’s time we’re furnished with a new Fallout – previously the only franchise, apart from Mass Effect, where I’ve ever felt truly able to step over the line and into moral territory that’s darker than black. Thing is, everything’s more fun with buds. Evil flowering buds of kill everyone. Clover, please return my calls.

18 comments (Leave your own)

Agree, I need a new Fallout. When Skyrim came out I was more excited about how awesome the new FO will be on the updated engine than I was to play Skyrim.

Also you should play the DLC, or at least Old world blues and Lonesome road.

 

I love New Vegas but I never went the Caesar route.
House didn’t seem to care about the rest of the towns only the Strip which annoyed me.

The NCR are useless unable to get the dam working and they are stupid enough to hire Mr Fantastic believing his crap that he is a Scientist.

I went the Independant route but I think the game is a little empty with that route as you dont really have any way of saying how you’d enforce rule over Mojave.
Also I kept expecting Yes Man to turn on me.

 

words cannot describe how much I enjoy playing New Vegas or FO3 for the first time. it consumes my every idle moment. if I’m not playing it, I’m thinking about it.

problem is, as soon as I’ve “finished” it (typically main story complete as well as a lot of sidequests, maybe ~70 hours) for the first time, I can’t seem to go back.

one major problem for me are the DLCs. being stuck in an area for a significant amount of time really drains the enjoyment from the game for me. I wish they could do more with the DLCs.

I really don’t understand how I find there to be such a ridiculous difference between first playthroughs and subsequent loadings of the games.

but anyway, on topic. I actually tend to stick to the “good” paths, however I did find myself straying from the good path in New Vegas more than FO3. so when a lot of the things revolve around being good, I don’t find too much problem with it. I just feel like a dick when I do something bad in a video game.

 

I can see where you’re coming from with this, but I think it should be taken a step further, and go into the deeper psychology of the scenario.

Humanity, as we’ve seen before from history, will respond to a crisis in one of two ways – cohesively, or divisively, which doesn’t need much more explaining. New Vegas is an interesting take on this because it twists the fact that one of the cohesive factions is actually the BAD one as well, the Legion. It is also, arguably, the most cohesive, single minded faction in the entire game, with zero dissent amongst the ranks. The unfortunate fact is that what they aim to do is vile, but they are entirely united in it.

There are a few reasons for this scenario to take place, however, that are purely from a gameplay perspective more than anything else. A divisive enemy is seldom a powerful one. ‘Watch the world burn’ types are anarchists, chaos makers, and they don’t burn long but they do burn brightly, having a serious impact in the right situation and location. They make the most impact, however, in places of order and regulation. Outside of that, they cannot create as much damage, because the nature of the reaction is not one of horror and indecision, but drawing closer to acceptance and understanding, as the individuals who observe it are probably more inclined to such tactics themselves.

To use the one whom the line was made about, the Joker in Dark Knight, he proved effective because he was, as he put it, ‘upsetting the natural order’, taking a previously ordered environment and smashing it to pieces with his chaos.

That doesn’t work in the wasteland. Outside the cities (and to be honest, usually inside them as well) the world is -chaos-. Someone like the Joker wouldn’t destroy the wasteland, but he would become a good gang leader. If you think of every one of the gangs of psychopaths that you run into as being lead by a Joker-like psychopathic personality (without the deviousness of planning) you wouldn’t be far off the mark.

There is also the fact that the wasteland is, by its very nature, a place of absolutes, because, as you said, its the end of the world. It HAS to be. There is no middle ground, because of what is at stake. People who have anarchistic tendencies in a lawful area would not last long, and same with the other way round. How did these roving gangs and groups get formed, do you think? I can practically guarantee they didn’t just ‘start’ there. Just about everyone roaming the wasteland is a cast off or exile from one group or another, who could not or would not tolerate their non-conformist behaviours. And that’s just the ones who survived doing so.

This would, in the end, heighten the probability of polar opposites being formed in different areas. Legion members are bastards because they didn’t fit in with the nice people who weren’t such complete bastards, and went to where they could be accepted, amidst unlimited bastardry who had no truck with being considerate or compassionate. Welded together under the intellect of a man with intelligence, foresight and absolutely no compassion or decent humanity whatsoever, they make a fearsome fighting force. Even calling them the ‘Legion’ was a clever tactic. It removes all individuality and employs a group mentality as a base overlay. They might feel they belong, but they have no individuality nor sense of self. Acheivement, and loss, is a basis of the whole and not of the individual, and that DOES include the player as well.

The other side of the legion is, however, fractured, and divided. Heavily so. Even the military side is a bit of a confused mix. They allow for individuality, but they don’t have such a cohesive bond to bring them together either. They have a president that isn’t there, and isn’t communicating much. They have a mysterious, ancient man in a coffin who speaks through a screen, and doesn’t care beyond his own life. They don’t exactly have a lot bringing them together, and it shows. What you end up with is a collection of individuals who have a common purpose, but seperate goals, and it can (and does) lead to serious friction in how they get there.

I am surprised, however, at the fact you didn’t find people who were not, in fact, the nicest folks in the world lurking the wasteland. What about the woman who sold Boone’s wife into slavery? And was subsequently brutally shot in the skull at long range for her crime without so much as a word of warning? The various drug addicts, the various nasty pieces of work in the casino’s in particular?

You’ve got to remember, you don’t see the whole story. We don’t -know- what evil things these NPC’s running the show have done. Considering how many the player can do in a few minutes, I’m willing to bet its more than a few, however. The trick is, we don’t ‘see’ them doing it. All we see is them putting on the sweet and honeyed tones of folksy friendliness in a place of utter ruin, and allow ourselves to think that’s all there is to it.

But consider where they came from. Think of all those 40′s and 50′s advertisements with the smiling faces, the big grins, the friendly winks. All decaying and falling apart, barely hiding the rot beneath. These are a people brought up on falsehood, every bit of advertising and teaching they are given during their time in the vault (and afterwards, in the wasteland itself) designed to keep up cheerfulness, hope, and various other propaganda. Some of them buy it, live it, and more than a few probably lie to themselves about some of the things that they found themselves doing. Others don’t. Those are the ones you’ll usually find yourself being shot at by, because they are the ones who have realised that everything by this point doesn’t mean anything at all.

The people you are talking about -do- exist in Fallout. They are, in fact, everywhere. But the ones you’ll talk to are actually the sort who tell themselves ‘it could be worse’ because a nuclear weapon -didn’t-, in fact, irradiate the Nevada desert. The ones who buy into the idea that ‘thing’s will get better’. Either its self delusion to keep sanity, or it is just to fit in with the rest of the crowd around them rather than face exile, but it isn’t true despite that, unless you’re character can make the world change – and you probably will.

Anyway, I’m rambling. Hopefully this isn’t a tl:dr for some.

 

1,121 word comment. New record? :P

 

nemesis22,

No I’m sure 1200 words isn’t draining for someone to read in the comments section…

 

*Shrug* I like to write. It’s something I tend to do for fun – and trust me, that’s actually rather brief by my standards.

 

nemesis22:
Anyway, I’m rambling.Hopefully this isn’t a tl:dr for some.

wasn’t for me.

thanks. :>

 
Unworthy King

Anyway, I’m rambling.Hopefully this isn’t a tl:dr for some.

tl:dr all the way. Just chill with the short stories, this is a forum not some creative writing community.

 

Skitzor liked it. Which is enough for me (shouldn’t it be enough for anyone?) so I’ll continue on with it when I need to. Think of it as a counter or complimentary article rather than a simple ‘yes I agree’ or ‘no I don’t agree’.

Going back to you Skitzor, I’m like you – I hate acting like a dick in a game. Feels somewhat juvenile to me most of the time, like something a spiteful child might do. Seldom goes well with me.

 

novocaine:
Agree, I need a new Fallout. When Skyrim came out I was more excited about how awesome the new FO will be on the updated engine than I was to play Skyrim.

thats what i was thinking too. Bethesda have said they will be using the engine again for something else too, so you’d think that’ll be another fallout! My god, it’ll be great!

The sad thing, i haven’t played new vegas!! played and loved the other fall out games, loved fallout 3, sunk sooooooo many hours into that. New Vegas has been on my list of things to do for a while, i think i shall buy it next week and save some cash by nerding up for a few weekends lol

 

New Vegas is vastly superior to Fallout 3. Bethesda do great game worlds and gameplay, not so great on a lot of their storylines. New Vegas is blindingly better than Fallout 3 in that regard, and some of the DLC (Old World Blues, Lonesome Road in particular) make it even better.

 

My personal thoughts:

1. I’ve only played through Fallout 3 and New Vegas once. These games have been so large and epic, that I’ve never felt the need to replay the entire experience from scratch.

2. There was a discussion either through an article or on the forums a while ago about the lack of choice for players to adopt a ‘bad’ persona. The NPCs tend to react better to ‘nicer’ players and being a bad character doesn’t ingratiate you any more with the bad NPCs like raiders.

3. I enjoyed Fallout 3 more than New Vegas, possibly because that was my first experience in the Fallout universe and I found the whole ‘search for my dad and take up his struggle’ plot a lot more engaging than a ‘courier with a mysterious past’ story.

 

After almost outright hating Fallout 3, I was pretty skeptical about New Vegas. I’m glad I picked it up though as I very much enjoyed my first playthrough. It just feels like there’s so just so much more to NV than FO3. Strangely I reinstalled it last night to have another run through from a different perspective. I too went the Caesar route last time, but this time I think I’ll do something else. Definitely looking forwards to FO4 or whatever its going to be called.

Thanks for that great read Nemesis. I too love to write and I’ve been told “TL;DR” plenty of times on various forums. As long as one or two people have read and understood what I’ m on about, I feel its worthwhile. I once wrote ~2,000 words on a certain MMO’s forums, detailing its issues and how to solve them in plausible ways.

 

nemesis22,

i don’t often comment here, but highly enjoyed that essay nemesis

 

I liked FO3 and FNV, they are a lot of fun.

The choices you get are good, but I wished it was more on your actions and less about talk to this person etc. I would like the choices to be a bit less clear cut. You couldn’t joined some raider group if you talked to them some unclear way and didn’t kill them.

Instead there is just a 3 way choice, give it to 1 of 3 groups and you will have decided your end game.

I liked in Deus Ex 1 when you found out online you could save your brother Paul in the apartment. It was completely unclear, and normally in games you do as your told… So to think you could change the events is crazy. So many things is the first Deus Ex had this, the sequels did not. This is real choice, let the players investigate what choices are available instead of having everyone wanting you like your superman/woman.

 
Toby McCasker

nemesis22,

Mate, that was awesome. Very much enjoyed reading your thoughts.

 

I pretty much gave up New Vegas in disgust after either going House, Legion, or NCR would lead to a breakup with Veronica.

 
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